150kW on-board DC-DC converter - do I need to order this in UK?

[Ross]

It’s a few hundred quid more for the 22kw version of the chargers from memory, but when we are spending that on minor cosmetic changes and the cars are £100k+ it isn’t something even thought about. For me - a 3x (22kw charger + upgrade) or 2x (22kw charger no upgrade) faster charging capability is worth much more than an automatic charge door for example, if there is a limited budget.

The other point on home set up is future proofing - as battery capacities get bigger, your 8 hours overnight won’t get you anywhere near full on 7kw.

Finally, re 22kw capability on the car, there are 22kw AC public chargers dotted around that you might want to use.

Thanks for info!
I am a Northern tight wad so I do think about a 'few' hundred quid!
Especially as I cant fiddle the home charging apparatus through my Ltd Co.
Totally agree still better value than a party trick charge port that might jam
and immobilise you.
Not sure about future proofing. 99% of the time I get home at 6 and go to work at 8.30
Thats 14.5 hours so future proofed up to a 100KwH battery!
I am going to move anyway in a few years when I retire.
People will also start to relax more and more about range anxiety when they suddenly
wake up and realise that they only drive 8 miles a day and the country is festooned with chargers.
The 1000 mile range electric car is pure nonsense. A 1000 mile journey will take me days.
I will stop multiple times with multiple opportunities to charge.
Fast and available charging will be much more important than battery capacity.
A 1000 mile battery is as redundant as a 200 gallon fuel tank.
I think range for a 'normal' car will stabilise at around 300 miles and batteries will get smaller and lighter and more efficient.
Huge batteries will be available for the range anxious if you are happy with a less efficient car that is worse to drive.

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[AlexG]

Thanks for info!
I am a Northern tight wad so I do think about a 'few' hundred quid!
Especially as I cant fiddle the home charging apparatus through my Ltd Co.
Totally agree still better value than a party trick charge port that might jam
and immobilise you.
Not sure about future proofing. 99% of the time I get home at 6 and go to work at 8.30
Thats 14.5 hours so future proofed up to a 100KwH battery!
I am going to move anyway in a few years when I retire.
People will also start to relax more and more about range anxiety when they suddenly
wake up and realise that they only drive 8 miles a day and the country is festooned with chargers.
The 1000 mile range electric car is pure nonsense. A 1000 mile journey will take me days.
I will stop multiple times with multiple opportunities to charge.
Fast and available charging will be much more important than battery capacity.
A 1000 mile battery is as redundant as a 200 gallon fuel tank.
I think range for a 'normal' car will stabilise at around 300 miles and batteries will get smaller and lighter and more efficient.
Huge batteries will be available for the range anxious if you are happy with a less efficient car that is worse to drive.

All very reasonable points!

 

[KConway]

Would you still need a Tesla to J1772 adapter or does this option change to charger port on the car?

 

[mutanthands]

It doesn't change the physical charger port on the car, so if you are in the US you would need the Tesla adapter. In Europe / UK the charge ports are all standardised, so it's not needed.

 

[f1eng]

I have three phase at home and have ticked it. Going forward I probably wouldn’t even consider buying a car that charges at only a third of that speed at home. Not sure how many of us there are in that category in the UK though.

I have solar cells that get nowhere near even 11kW and I am very rarely in need of an emergency full charge at home so whether charging overnight to be OK for the next day or during the day on free ‘leccy the 11kW charger is plenty for me.
If I want fast I want much more than just 22kW.

 

[f1eng]

and batteries will get smaller and lighter and more efficient.

Almost certainly and personally when this happens I will value the car being smaller and lighter with no more range more than remaining big and heavy and gaining range.
I drove home from Aviemore last month in my plug in hybrid. 500 miles and I filled up with petrol in Carlisle, and still have half a tank. I stopped twice to let my dog stretch his legs and have a wee. I think with the Taycan I just need to plug in for the dog stops, certainly not as much freedom as my PHV but OK, I only do these long trips 3 or 4 times a year.

 

[W1NGE]

Would you still need a Tesla to J1772 adapter or does this option change to charger port on the car?

Not a decision in UK as all public DC connectors are Euro CCS/CCS 2 standard by law (even Tesla).

 

[Browning]

I disagree!
At over £1k it’s not a low cost option and is unlikely to help residuals (IMO). Unless you already have 3-phase then I wouldn’t bother adding it as an option.

 

[KConway]

Not a decision in UK as all public DC connectors are Euro CCS/CCS 2 standard by law (even Tesla).

I suppose the UK standard is J1772 then the answer for US market is adapter required.

 

[AlexG]

Almost certainly and personally when this happens I will value the car being smaller and lighter with no more range more than remaining big and heavy and gaining range.
I drove home from Aviemore last month in my plug in hybrid. 500 miles and I filled up with petrol in Carlisle, and still have half a tank. I stopped twice to let my dog stretch his legs and have a wee. I think with the Taycan I just need to plug in for the dog stops, certainly not as much freedom as my PHV but OK, I only do these long trips 3 or 4 times a year.

works for you certainly not for me. I do perhaps 25 of them a year, often with someone elderly or a young child. last thing I need is an extra half an hour to an hour added to my 4 hour round trip.

 

[AlexG]

Shell now putting 22kw AC chargers at supermarkets around the UK - inc. Waitrose. Don't get why you wouldn't want to charge twice as fast.

 

[BigBob]

Shell now putting 22kw AC chargers at supermarkets around the UK - inc. Waitrose. Don't get why you wouldn't want to charge twice as fast.

What about Lidl?

 

[Ross]

Shell now putting 22kw AC chargers at supermarkets around the UK - inc. Waitrose. Don't get why you wouldn't want to charge twice as fast.

Because it’s a ridiculous £1100 and it is me that will be charging twice as fast at a 50Kw DC charger round the corner. INSTAVOLT, BP pulse or even at Shell. Might even find a charger at 150!
22kw AC is pointless unless you have 3 phase at home and a charger that cost £2000. No one has it at home and it’s too slow on a road trip.

 

[daveo4EV]

the 19.2 kW charging option in NA - similar to 22 kW for europe - is stupid expensive and hard to justify for NA purchase - not a lot of 19.2 kW chargers unless you install one at home - and yeah - nearly $2k option - wow - simply wow....

I had the 80 amp (19.2 kW) option for my 2014 Model S P85D - it was nice when it was charging super fast…

however if you do want the 19.2 kW charger in North America I recommend either a ClipperCreek HCS-80 or HCS-100 charger or the Porsche Wall Charger - both are about $1500 for the EVSE + cost of the 19.2 kW option for the vehicle, but it will charge your eV at home at night pretty quickly - and you'll occassionally find some/few 80/100 amp Tesla Destination chargers while traveling - so bring your 80 amp TeslaTap.

 

[W1NGE]

Because it’s a ridiculous £1100 and it is me that will be charging twice as fast at a 50Kw DC charger round the corner. INSTAVOLT, BP pulse or even at Shell. Might even find a charger at 150!
22kw AC is pointless unless you have 3 phase at home and a charger that cost £2000. No one has it at home and it’s too slow on a road trip.

PMCC will handle 22kW and doesn't cost anywhere near £2K.

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