24 hours with a Taycan GTS Sport Turismo (Coffee Beige Metallic)

[WuffvonTrips]

From a preview of a £137 book which includes a technical article (Porsche Taycan- recuperative brake system for combined braking) by Porsche engineers...

...tantalisingly, the introduction to the article states that the entire braking and recuperation system will be presented in detail...which isn't included in the preview. Link to Google books:
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edit...running+in+period&pg=PR69&printsec=frontcover

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[Murph7355]

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The only reason I was second-guessing not having it was that the salesman at Mid Sussex said they always struggle to sell second hand when they don't have a pano roof, for some reason.

Because as you see on here, more people want it than don't (I wouldn't consider a used car without it)

Doesn't mean they won't sell. Find the right person and it will. But it will take longer, unless it's cheaper.

 

[Murph7355]

.... It now comes when it comes. Nothing else interests me right now so i'll wait

Ditto

 

[Matt-Taycan]

Recup will be braking to an extent via the electric motors - that's why you were able to experience it - but no energy is put back into the batteries until a certain mileage is reached (< 1000 miles). Brake rotors provide most of the braking (stopping) in the early miles.

Coasting is actually preferable (in my experience) to harvest more miles than I've ever managed via recup.

For me it was more about the driving experience suiting my driving style. When I'm off the gas I'd rather the car was "holding back" that little bit, rather than freely coasting along. I've had previous cars with the ability to disengage and coast but the Taycans coasting is incredibly impressive. It feels so unrestricted

 

[Matt-Taycan]

What he means is the recup via the brake pedal, which on mine didn't start until about 700 miles as it waits until it thinks your pads/disks are bedded in.

The button on the wheel switches the mode so that when you lift off it does very mild recup, nothing in comparison to when the brake is pressed however.

Is that from Nottingham Porsche or Sheffield? It looks like milky tea!

The GTS had done just over 700 miles so maybe the recup was actually starting to work. I've no previous experience to draw a comparison.

Sheffield

 

[W1NGE]

The GTS had done just over 700 miles so maybe the recup was actually starting to work. I've no previous experience to draw a comparison.

Sheffield

Yep it would start to come alive.

 

[Matt-Taycan]

Did you mean ride height is low in general compared to other cars that you just breeze over humps with, or do you have experience driving other non-GTS Taycans and feel the GTS rides even lower and has less clearance than other Taycans?

Other cars. Compared to the Bentley Continental and C43. Side by side the Door Cill heights are really noticeable for example. The Taycan looks stuck to the ground. For aesthetics alone, It's a good thing in my opinion. I've no issue being road aware and taking a moment to raise the height if necessary

 

[NeilJ]

I'm currently running down a full charge of this GTS ST Demonstrator. Figured I'd share some thoughts...

Coffee Beige Metallic by the way... IMO probably the worst of all the colours but still not terrible in bright sunshine. Sometimes dealerships have to have what Porsche HQ makes them have.

A few thoughts but in no particular order:

As you can see from the pics the Model Designation has been left off and we have the Carbon Design Pack. Seems a lot of Demonstrators have arrived like this for some reason. Strange to de-GTS a GTS. Personally, i want as much GTS identification as possible. The rear badge and GTS logo on the side skirts matter to me. However, if possible I would 100% spec the Carbon Front Splitter on its own. I much prefer this Turbo-style front but hate the CT style changes it makes to the rear diffuser so will go without the Carbon Styling Pack.

RS Spyder Wheels. Love them. Was always having them. The metal is not protected by the rubber of the tyre with the Pirrellis. Watch out for those magnetic curbs.
Black Brake Callipers. Depends entirely on the external colour. The standard Red Callipers would of course look shocking with the Coffee so the Black upgrade makes sense here. Rear Brakes do look kinda small inside the RS Spyders but would upgrading make much of an improvement..!?

Charging Flaps. For myself, I have confirmed that I'll be more going with the Manual Flaps. Electric is definitely cool but really not necessary. The open air-curtain wheel arch vents do definitely collect stones though so the mesh modification would be on the top of my to-do list

Ride Height. Low is LOW. Encountered a few speed humps that I can usually breeze over but definitely had to raise the height. No problem though. A doddle with the single button on the main Dash Display.

Factory PPF. DO NOT SPEC!!!! Have seen a lot of showroom Taycans with the front PPF. The quality of the installation on them all has been terrible. They're templates with very few rolled edges. I've seen lots of lifting and crinkled edges. Save the cash and have it done 3rd party upon delivery.

GTS Interior v's Standard Race-Tex. The GTS Interior is Very Nice and IMO worth the extra cash over the Standard Race-Tex. The little details such as the stitching, Head Rests, seat belts and Carbon accents etc make enough of a difference and lift the cabin just enough. The Race-Tex isn't really Black either so the cabin feels a little brighter than a Plain Black Leather for example. I will be having the GTS Interior.

B-Pillar Race-Tex. All in honesty the B-Pillar isn't as offensive as I was expecting. I will spec the Race-Tex but I did definitely notice myself rubbing against the plastic occasionally as I climbed in and out. It's a LOW car and you really do drop low into the seats. Shall take more care in my own car of course don't want to be scuffing the Race-Tex

GTS Sport Sound. Of course the sound is pretty cool! A must-have at low speeds. However, i did find it annoying on the Motorway. I would definitely be shortcutting to the option for easy toggling On\Off

Head-Up Display. Was convinced i'd be having this option. However, having now experienced it first hand, it's a no from me. It works perfectly fine, is plenty clear and bright enough and provides exactly the information you'd expect it to. However, in the Taycan, the layout of the Main Dash basically duplicates the same important pieces of information immediately below the Head-Up image. Your eyes really don't have to go searching for it. Maybe if it were a £500 option i'd go for it based on the preferred look of the dash but for around £1200, i'll go without.

Pano Roof. I think still a no from me. I'm never in the rear and passengers are a very rare occurrence too. The Pano Roof would also mess with my thoughts for exterior aesthetics/PPF plans i have in mind.
It did do an impressive job of filtering out the bright sunshine of yesterday though. Surprised me.

PCM. No coloured icons, so I'm assuming the old version. No issues with it but its definitely a little sluggish.
Have had very little use with many of the functions so can't comment on much.

Passenger Display. Exactly the same as the Charging Flaps. Pretty cool but entirely unnecessary. It's a No.

Comfort Access. I've often left this option off previous cars for Anti-Theft reasons, so very used to not having it. My 24 hours of use are no true test but I did find the car unlocking itself on a few occasions as I walked around and away from it, after having locked it. I'm sure this is just user error

Ride Quality. Superb!!! I'm sure some are wondering if the GTS may be a little rigid. I can confirm it definitely is not. Even on the RS Spyders. The ride is excellent! Normal is positively luxurious (more comfortable than our Bentley Continental GT) and Sport is perfectly acceptable for daily driving. Only in Sport Plus do you start to question "is that a little too firm"

Performance. Exactly as you'd expect! Ridiculous! More than anyone ever needs. Too much at times. Other cars getting in the way all too quickly
(will try some 0-60 before i take it back today)

Battery Regen/"Engine" Breaking. This function doesn't actually offer any harvesting until after 1000 miles. However, you do still get the effects and benefits of breaking from it from day one. Without it on I find the Taycan coasts too freely and requires a lot of manual breaking. I'm very used to using paddle shifts for breaking. It's strange not having paddles, so the Re-gen breaking compensates for this quite successfully, holding the car back when off the "gas"

3 Pin Plug Charging. A lot of existing owners will already know this but 13a 3 Pin Plug charging is a total waste of time. I'm yet to install my Charging Point so figured I'd experiment with the 3 Pin option that comes with the car. Pointless! I won't even bore you with the details but painfully slow and entirely impractical if trying to take advantage of cheaper overnight tariffs. Not enough hours to receive any worthwhile charge.

Delivery Delays. My SA went through their order book and ordering/allocation system with me to show how bad it is at the moment. It's bad! Anything 911 Turbo and orders are nearly into 2025, during which time there will likely be facelifts etc.
Taycan GTS ordered today would be 2nd quarter 2023 (roughly) They have a provisional date in their calendar for my allocation as July this year. They do this at a dealership level as a rough guestimate for themselves. I'm not hopeful. However, their Demo allocation was Number 1 and i am Number 3. Fingers crossed.

Mileage. Had 95% when I collected the car. Calculating the potential mileage from what I've drained so far, i'd say I would be in line to achieve around 250 miles. Maybe a little better!
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Great write up. Thanks.

Interesting that orders placed now would possibly be fulfilled in Q2 next year....

Think I agree on all your views on the options, except the Pano roof (I have kids who will be in the back a lot)

Thanks for a great write-up. Really helpful reflections on the various options.

 

[B61]

From what I remember, in the first x miles of driving a new Taycan, recoup simply didn't work. Its like when you start in the morning and turn recoup on, it doesn't start working for a mile or so (from what I've read, this is to condition the mechanical brakes).
The same thing happens when the car is new: braking is mostly mechanical. Electric braking (regen or recoup) starts after some number of initial miles.

I have exactly the same experiences….brakes behaves very different during first 450 km.

 

[f1eng]

Heat I guess

Heating what?
I can understand that regeneration is reduced to make sure pads are bedded to discs but the regenerated energy must go somewhere and I can't think of anything but the battery, it is likely the climate control or battery temperature control system maximum capacity will be nowhere near regeneration levels, though the battery temperature control system probably can take quite a bit of power for a short time.
I would be interested to know the facts.

 

[f1eng]

From what I remember, in the first x miles of driving a new Taycan, recoup simply didn't work. Its like when you start in the morning and turn recoup on, it doesn't start working for a mile or so (from what I've read, this is to condition the mechanical brakes).
The same thing happens when the car is new: braking is mostly mechanical. Electric braking (regen or recoup) starts after some number of initial miles.

That is what I had believed to be the case before that comment.

 

[W1NGE]

Heating what?
I can understand that regeneration is reduced to make sure pads are bedded to discs but the regenerated energy must go somewhere and I can't think of anything but the battery, it is not likely the climate control or battery temperature control system maximum capacity will be nowhere near regeneration levels, though the battery temperature control system probably can take quite a bit of power for a short time.
I would be interested to know the facts.

I honestly don't know (sorry).

Isn't it the same / similar to not switching manual or auto regen on? The regen dial lights up green regardless but apparently doesn't charge the battery unless these features have been enabled.

 

[f1eng]

Because as you see on here, more people want it than don't (I wouldn't consider a used car without it)

Doesn't mean they won't sell. Find the right person and it will. But it will take longer, unless it's cheaper.

One of the main reasons I didn't buy a used Taycan rather than new is that there were none without the glass roof which is one of the options I absolutely do not want, so even if people like me are in the minority so far there aren't many ally roofed Taycans about.

 

[f1eng]

I honestly don't know (sorry).

Isn't it the same / similar to not switching manual or auto regen on? The regen dial lights up green regardless but apparently doesn't charge the battery unless these features have been enabled.

Well if the car is in the standard setting there won't be any energy in the regen system. If manual or auto whatever regen deceleration produced must go into the battery since I can't think of anywhere else it could go.
It will be almost certainly be part of the reason the useable and total battery capacity differ.

 

[f1eng]

The GTS had done just over 700 miles so maybe the recup was actually starting to work. I've no previous experience to draw a comparison.

Sheffield

I know how to bed in brakes after years in racing.
I am hoping the algorithm they use to work out when to switch to normal regen is a good one because I am hoping to get mine bedded in within 250 miles

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