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If I don't select the $1.1k Porsche charger, will the car come with any default charger? This is a US build. The standard equipment list from the configurator is below

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Charge port on driver (AC) and front passenger side (CCS-Combo)
On-board AC-charger with 9.6kW (AC)
On-Board DC-Charger with 50 kW/400V (DC)
120 Volt supply cable for Mobile Charger
240 Volt NEMA 14-50 supply cable for Mobile Charger
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to my knowledge you will receive NO charger if you do not pay for the Porsche charger - I also believe the 120V supply cable, and the 240 Volt supply cable will not come either - because both of those items are specific and unique to the charger.
 

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@amelen it's worth noting that while I'm _NO_ fan of the Porsche Charger and it is insanely over priced at $1,100 for what it is - purchasing the Porsche charger as a Porsche Part after purchase is even more expensive since you have to buy all the components as Porsche Parts - purchasing the Porsche Charger separately as parts is over $3,200

I still believe you're better off with high quality non-Porsche alternatives (ClipperCreek, JuiceBox, ChargePoint, Mustart, Tesla) - but I thought I would just note if…

if your EV charger simply must have a Porsche Logo on it - the cheapest time to do it is with the purchase of the Taycan - later it will be much much more…

that being said - $1,100 is only 2 or 3 times more expensive than excellent high-quality non-Porsche alternatives.
 

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If you buy a charger by the end of the year you might be eligible for a 30% federal tax credit up to $1000 for the charging station and its installation cost. If you qualify and you buy a $500 charger and get a $150 credit, then your actual cost is only $350. Compare that to $1100.

I bought my Taycan off the lot and not only it included the mobile charger but also its docking station which is $470 and extremely bulky. I wish I had the option to buy my own charger for much cheaper.
 
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If you buy a charger by the end of the year you might be eligible for a 30% federal tax credit up to $1000 for the charging station and its installation cost. If you qualify and you buy a $500 charger and get a $150 credit, then your actual cost is only $350. Compare that to $1100.

I bought my Taycan off the lot and not only it included the mobile charger but also its docking station which is $470 and extremely bulky. I wish I had the option to buy my own charger for much cheaper.
Hi - I am in Bay Area as well, my car will be here next week. Do you really need a charging station install in the garage .can you just plug in nema 14-50 50amps
 

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Hi - I am in Bay Area as well, my car will be here next week. Do you really need a charging station install in the garage .can you just plug in nema 14-50 50amps
Your 14-50 and your charger is your charging station 😀
 
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@IJ-CA

you must have some Charger (EVSE) to plug-into the NEMA 14-50 - you can use the one that comes with the Taycan from Porsche (for $1,100) or you can purchase an alternate EVSE from some other vendor (ClipperCreek, JuiceBox, ChargePoint, Tesla, etc…there are lots and lots of choices some of which work with NEMA 14-50 plugs and some that use other types of power outlets) - high quality chargers that will charge your Taycan can be had from other vendors for 1/2 or less the cost of Porsche's $1,100 charger that is an option with the Taycan. But you need at least one from some vendor, but it does not have to be Porsches.

there is no method/cable to directly plug into a NEMA 14-50 plug - the box+ cable that comes with the Taycan is called an EVSE - the EVSE plugs into the 14-50 plug and the Vehicle.

the cheapest EVSE I've found run around $200 and tend to be quite slow…features, price, and charging speed go up from there…

You must OWN some kind of EVSE to charge the Taycan (or any North American EV for that matter) - it is the "interface" that allows the raw NEMA 14-50 plug to provide power to the vehicle.

the charger that Porsche provides with the Taycan is a "mobile" charging station (EVSE) - but it _IS_ a charging station, just one that plugs in. You can purchase another vendor's EVSE - either mobile or walled mounted - _ANY_ J-1772 compatible EVSE (EV charger) will function to charge the Taycan (you can use a Nissan Leaf's or Chevy Bolt charger for example).

But you MUST own/have a J-1772 EVSE to charge any EV shipping in North America.

an EVSE provides two main function from the raw 120/240 volt power supply (hardwired or plug based)
  1. Safety Switch - no power flows if it's not plugged into the vehicle - this means the plug at the end of the cord that plugs into the vehicle is "inert" and can not electrocute anyone if it's not plugged into a vehicle - meaning it safe for example in the rain - no power is allowed to flow/provided when detached from the vehicle…this is part of the requirements for J-1772 (the North American AC power EV charging specification/standard).
  2. the EVSE also "speaks" the J-1772 electrical protocol which the vehicle requires when charging.. Raw power coming from the wall (hardwired or otherwise) has no control protocol - J-1772 _IS_ the method by which North American EV's "speak" to their EV chargers - you need a "box" between the raw power and the vehicle to "speak" J-1772 - an EVSE _IS_ that box to control the power flow and speak to the vehicle. The porsche charger shipped with the Taycan _IS_ a J-1772 EVSE which provides this capability. It's an expensive, big, heavy EVSE, but it _IS_ an EVSE and performs the role of a J-1772 EVSE - if you choose not to purchase the Porsche EVSE with your Taycan - you'll need to use another EVSE from some other vendor - but you must have an EVSE in your garage to charge any EV.
it doesn't matter who's J-1772 EVSE you purchase - and there a very large number of choices - some that work with NEMA 14-50, other that work with other NEMA plug types, or some that are hard wired - but a J-1772 EVSE is required to charge any North American EV

the North American Porsche EVSE can charge the Taycan, and any other J-1772 EV. And most any other EV's charger can charge the Taycan - they all conform to the J-1772 standard and therefore with any North American EV. Once you own one EVSE and have it in your garage you should be good to go for any future EV purchases - you do not need an different type of charger for each EV you own. One J-1772 EVSE charger will charge any EV currently on the market (Tesla, Bolt, Leaf, eGolf, eTron, Fiat, Taycan, Mustange, Rivian, Lucid Air, Prius hybrids, etc…)

J-1772 EV chargers are NOT vehicle specific - they provide the standard J-1772 charging protocol to support _ANY_ EV to charge from them. Your North American Porsche Mobile Charger Connect will also charge your Bolt or Leaf - and the charger that comes with your Bolt will also charge your Taycan - it's all the same - just different vendors shipping different versions of a J-1772 EV charger…

you need a box to provide the plug type shown below…that box is an EVSE and the EVSE is what plugs into your wall socket, or is hardwired into your home's breaker box to provide power to your EV.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772
 
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I for example routinely charge my 2020 Taycan with a Tesla Wall charger that I purchased in 2015 and provides 48 amps of charging power from a hardwired 60 amp breaker. The Tesla Wall Charger confirms to the J-1772 EV charging standard and I routinely use it to charge (I do not own all these vehicles, but friends and family visit and have used my EV charger)…
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one EV charger can charge _ANY_ modern EV shipping in North America

I also OWN a Porsche charger that came with the Taycan, it can also charge my Tesla's, Bolts, and Taycan…

so any EV charger can charge most any EV sold - you only need one, but you need at least one to charge ANY EV.

a good EV charger is a one time expense for your current and future EV - I recommend buying a high quality EV charger at a reasonable price - and installing it with the biggest breaker you can handle for current and future needs. Once installed forget about it - you'll not need to purchase or use another one as it will work for your current EV and likely your future EV's… for example have never unpacked or even tested the 120V L1 J-1772 charger that came with my Bolt - it's simply not necessary as I already have an EV charger installed and working (reminder to self: must unpack and test Bolt charger purely for warranty purposed to make sure it works - Chevy charges $800 for their L1 12 amp charger - almost as expensive as Porsche, but even worse as it's maximum charge rate is super super slow - it's a total rip off - Chevy's charger is even worse than Porsche's and almost as expensive)

the Porsche charger is expensive and in my opinion not that great - there are better higher quality options that are equally functional and quite a bit cheaper. Spending more on the Porsche charger does not get you a better EV charger, it simply gets less money in your bank account. There are excellent alternatives to the Porsche EV charger for less money that Porsche wants you to spend.v

more details can be found in the following threads:

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/“-error-during-charging“.3306/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/show-your-home-charging-setup.3032/page-4#post-45321
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...charger-gen2-load-sharing-configuration.1994/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...age…for-those-that-wish-to-over-do-it-….2343/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/got-some-charging-questions-here-in-the-us.3139/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/charging-options-in-porsche-configuration-page.3019/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...-charger-48-amps-not-max-9-6-kw-40-amps.1793/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/why-would-i-get-the-14-30-6-30-or-6-50-supply-cables.2320/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/ditch-the-pmcc-for-now.1996/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/pmcc-overheated.2365/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/ev-roadwarrior-adapters-“kit”.1364/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/nema-14-50-supply-cable-heat-data.1940/
 
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I for example routinely charge my 2020 Taycan with a Tesla Wall charger that I purchased in 2015 and provides 48 amps of charging power from a hardwired 60 amp breaker. The Tesla Wall Charger confirms to the J-1772 EV charging standard and I routinely use it to charge (I do not own all these vehicles, but friends and family visit and have used my EV charger)…
  • 2017 Tesla Model X
  • 2018 Tesla Model 3
  • 2020 Taycan
  • 2017 Bolt
  • 2019 Bolt
  • 20xx Volt
  • 2011 Nissan Leaf
  • 20xx VW eGolf
  • Toyota Prius
  • Cayenne eHybrid
one EV charger can charge _ANY_ modern EV shipping in North America

I also OWN a Porsche charger that came with the Taycan, it can also charge my Tesla's, Bolts, and Taycan…

so any EV charger can charge most any EV sold - you only need one, but you need at least one to charge ANY EV.

a good EV charger is a one time expense for your current and future EV - I recommend buying a high quality EV charger at a reasonable price - and installing it with the biggest breaker you can handle for current and future needs. Once installed forget about it - you'll not need to purchase or use another one as it will work for your current EV and likely your future EV's… for example have never unpacked or even tested the 120V L1 J-1772 charger that came with my Bolt - it's simply not necessary as I already have an EV charger installed and working (reminder to self: must unpack and test Bolt charger purely for warranty purposed to make sure it works - Chevy charges $800 for their L1 12 amp charger - almost as expensive as Porsche, but even worse as it's maximum charge rate is super super slow - it's a total rip off - Chevy's charger is even worse than Porsche's and almost as expensive)

the Porsche charger is expensive and in my opinion not that great - there are better higher quality options that are equally functional and quite a bit cheaper. Spending more on the Porsche charger does not get you a better EV charger, it simply gets less money in your bank account. There are excellent alternatives to the Porsche EV charger for less money that Porsche wants you to spend.v

more details can be found in the following threads:

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/“-error-during-charging“.3306/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/show-your-home-charging-setup.3032/page-4#post-45321
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...charger-gen2-load-sharing-configuration.1994/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...age…for-those-that-wish-to-over-do-it-….2343/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/got-some-charging-questions-here-in-the-us.3139/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/charging-options-in-porsche-configuration-page.3019/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...-charger-48-amps-not-max-9-6-kw-40-amps.1793/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/why-would-i-get-the-14-30-6-30-or-6-50-supply-cables.2320/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/ditch-the-pmcc-for-now.1996/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/pmcc-overheated.2365/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/ev-roadwarrior-adapters-“kit”.1364/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/nema-14-50-supply-cable-heat-data.1940/
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I set up my new garage like Dave’s and went with two Gen 3 Tesla wall chargers ($500/each). They share a 100A circuit and give 48A to each of our 2 EVs simultaneously as 48A is the max allowable from all US EVs at home I believe (Dave 04ev knows more than I) I just have to use a J1722 Tesla Tap adapter for my Taycan and I’ve confirmed it works perfectly.
 

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I set up my new garage like Dave’s and went with two Gen 3 Tesla wall chargers ($500/each). They share a 100A circuit and give 48A to each of our 2 EVs simultaneously as 48A is the max allowable from all US EVs at home I believe (Dave 04ev knows more than I) I just have to use a J1722 Tesla Tap adapter for my Taycan and I’ve confirmed it works perfectly.
Interesting. I have a 100A circuit in my garage as well, which feeds two NEMA 14-50 outlets. However, those are rated at 40A each to stay within code. Can you go to two times 48A because the Tesla chargers sense each other and avoid the combined output to go above 80A?
 

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Exactly right.KingSke. The gen 3 (and gen 2). Allow load sharing from a single circuit. I actually learned this from Dave04ev post and my electrician confirmed it and set it up. He actually said he prefers the gen 3 since they are limited to 48A rather than 80A the gen 2 allowed for for this very reason
 

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If I don't select the $1.1k Porsche charger, will the car come with any default charger?
Tick the box it is worth it!

My tesla charger overheated and had to be replaced after 4 year.

The Porsche charger seems of excellent quality from the outside. It has a user interface, shows you charging level and - important to me - can be secured with a 4 digit pin.

Even if I change to another brand, I would keep this charger, since it can deliver up to 32kW.

Also, it is the smallest charger in terms of wall real estate requirement, I have seen.
 

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Tick the box it is worth it!

My tesla charger overheated and had to be replaced after 4 year.

The Porsche charger seems of excellent quality from the outside. It has a user interface, shows you charging level and - important to me - can be secured with a 4 digit pin.

Even if I change to another brand, I would keep this charger, since it can deliver up to 32kW.

Also, it is the smallest charger in terms of wall real estate requirement, I have seen.
I believe the average life expectancy of a charger is about 5 years depending on usage because of the high power. So I am not surprised if even a quality charger fails after 4 years.

An interesting question is if the PMCC is covered by the same 4 year warranty that covers the car or a shorter warranty. A 4 year warranty might be a reason to buy it instead of 3rd party high end chargers which provide 3years warranty and they cost half.
 
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