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It s all about EV Macan and 718 Cayman GT4 e. No word about Taycan II. technology, either platform or Battery size and type. Anything.

Anyway: enjoying life is about taking not waiting.
Wish you a happy waiting time.
Just wondering Taycan III. likely will be better than Taycan II. ... :facepalm:
Check Google you will see .
I will buy the Maserati Granturismo. It's more exclusive
 

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Agree. Why would you buy a Porsche to have the computer drive it. The Taycan is a driver’s car.
 


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But when I tested the Taycan the range seemed very poor when you push on the throttle.
That is true of any car. I remember my 911 fuel consumption in the gutter when spiritedly driving over some mountains almost every weekend (though I think perhaps Taycan might actually do better there, with downhill recouperation). A Bugatti Veyron will empty its 100 liter tank of gasoline in ~5 minutes traveling pedal to the metal top speed. I've driven my Model S at high speeds and the battery usage just skyrockets. I remember on one leg of a trip I was able to cruise at 100mph for most of the distance between chargers, that took the 250 rated miles of range to 142 miles, with the last 10 miles or so driven slower in order to make it to the charger (I made it with 1% SoC IIRC). On a track, the range drops even faster. Welcome to the world of physics! You need energy to go fast.
 

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No car is currently capable of self driving (currently), to the extent you can answer your emails instead of paying attention. That's a use-case that should not exist at all as it stands, imo. No matter what 'certification' they have. Anyone thinking they can do this is delusional and dangerous if they do it
There are driverless taxis available to the public already. Level 3 autonomy (10 seconds to take over) cars are coming online - Mercedes was one of the first in the US, but there is a Honda in Japan which has been doing Level 3 for a couple of years already IIRC. I get your mistrust of the technology, I have similar reservations. You would probably never get into a driverless Waymo taxi, but there are people who do it every day and they live to tell the tale (by now it's no longer news so not many people care to listen to the tale). I've been in driverless cars, it feels really weird and scary at first, but you get comfortable with it surprisingly quick (I actually scared myself how quickly I started trusting it, which made me feel more reserved about it again - a paradox , I know).

Outside of Tesla bleeding edge world, the autonomous driver assists are actually getting progressively better in a much safer manner. In some situations, they are actually better than humans. It's amazing what a computer with a bunch of cameras, radars, and lidars, sensing around the car can do. I've seen some amazing examples of autonomous driving in conditions where humans would have surely failed. I think people forget one thing, no system is perfect, including humans. The goal of autonomy is not to be perfect, it is to be better than humans. Today, about 100 people die every day in just USA in car accidents. Imagine everyone switched to autonomous vehicles which only killed 40 people every day. Is that better, or would there be a huge social outrage over computers killing 40 people a day? I would prefer to look at it as computers saving 60 people a day, but you and I both know that is now how it will play out in the media.
 


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My statement is still correct. No production car without additional sensors/hardware, is capable of self driving. In an ideal world, all cars at a specified time would be autonomous and then all the behaviour would be predictable. The issue is we're nowhere near that and yes, it is people that cause the issues. But that's the exact issue. No car as it stands with what is on the road, is capable of self driving safely on the road. I like your optimism, but it's just not tenable. Maybe, at some point, we will get there.

Ultimately you're in a 2.3 tonne missile capable of up to 160+ MPH and you should be paying attention at all times.
 

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My statement is still correct. No production car without additional sensors/hardware, is capable of self driving. In an ideal world, all cars at a specified time would be autonomous and then all the behaviour would be predictable. The issue is we're nowhere near that and yes, it is people that cause the issues. But that's the exact issue. No car as it stands with what is on the road, is capable of self driving safely on the road. I like your optimism, but it's just not tenable. Maybe, at some point, we will get there.

Ultimately you're in a 2.3 tonne missile capable of up to 160+ MPH and you should be paying attention at all times.
Do you consider Waymo taxis production vehicles?
 

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Do you consider Waymo taxis production vehicles?
IMO these are customised, specialised vehicles

Don't mistake my realism, with an opposition to developing a fully autonomous car/driving. It's just we're not near it yet in terms of cars people can buy and drive. Tesla's FSD is not it, for example and it's dangerous to pretend (and market), that it is
 

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IMO these are customised, specialised vehicles

Don't mistake my realism, with an opposition to developing a fully autonomous car/driving. It's just we're not near it yet in terms of cars people can buy and drive. Tesla's FSD is not it, for example and it's dangerous to pretend (and market), that it is
Forget Tesla FSD - that is the wild west of autonomous driver assists. The other manufacturers, such as Mercedes. take a much different approach and follow way more safety standards to reach Level 3. Check out their Level 3 before you form an opinion. Again, forget Tesla FSD in this case.
 

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Forget Tesla FSD - that is the wild west of autonomous driver assists. The other manufacturers, such as Mercedes. take a much different approach and follow way more safety standards to reach Level 3. Check out their Level 3 before you form an opinion. Again, forget Tesla FSD in this case.
Yes Mercedes are doing it the 'German' way. And sitting on the safe side is the right way to do it. I mention FSD because Tesla has a lot of cars and a lot of people are invested in it and believe the (almost criminal), misinformation from Tesla. Again, I stand by my statement in terms of if you are in control of a current car, you should be paying attention and not expecting the car to allow you to not bother to drive it or do something not driving related because that's very dangerous.

Anyway, think we've gone sufficiently off topic for this thread! 😳 😂
 
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Forget Tesla FSD - that is the wild west of autonomous driver assists. The other manufacturers, such as Mercedes. take a much different approach and follow way more safety standards to reach Level 3. Check out their Level 3 before you form an opinion. Again, forget Tesla FSD in this case.
TESLA goes to HW4 and brings back radar in it.
 
 




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