Facelift 2024MY Taycan will arrive summer 2024 for delivery in 2025 (says Porsche head office)

[Ompre]

Looks like the facelift will have:
Bigger battey and more effiecent motors bringing the range to 550 km same as the upcoming E-macan
No more 400V and 48V internal net resulting into less cables thus weight reduction.
New "semi" active suspension for example when parked the heigth can be elivated so easier entry.
Improved PCM new hardware much faster
Only slight changes on the outside.
Production as stated after the summer brake.
Seems to be a major technical upgrade

What kwh capacity can we expect from facelift 550 km sounds not much more. I would guess smaller 100kwh netto. 550km doesnt sounds much when you think that normal e-tron has 585km ^^

 

[JonoNZ]

I'll believe it when I see it

A few of the rumours are starting to align though, that list of facelift features is what I expect to see. Honestly, if the facelift doesn't include most of that then I'll probably cancel my order.

It will look very odd if the Macan upstages the Taycan in a serious way and if that occurs it will hurt sales of the Taycan. In the EV world, things move a bit faster, and the Taycan needs this facelift to keep going until Taycan 2.

 

[Bognar67]

A few of the rumours are starting to align though, that list of facelift features is what I expect to see. Honestly, if the facelift doesn't include most of that then I'll probably cancel my order.

It will look very odd if the Macan upstages the Taycan in a serious way and if that occurs it will hurt sales of the Taycan. In the EV world, things move a bit faster, and the Taycan needs this facelift to keep going until Taycan 2.

Well, Macan will not upstage the Taycan most of the ways. Range is not as important for a sports car as for a SUV. If Macan will be better on range it does not mean Macan is the better car.
Just think about that, existing equivalent ICE 911 has significantly less range than ICE Macan. Still 911 is way better car.

Personally I would not be happy to loose any level of sportiness for better range. Range lovers will be happy, since Macan is available soon.

Different car for different purpose.

Tayan will not loose customers if Macan goes further. Will lose if Macan goes faster and handles better.

 

[JonoNZ]

Well, Macan will not upstage the Taycan most of the ways. Range is not as important for a sports car as for a SUV. If Macan will be better on range it does not mean Macan is the better car.
Just think about that, existing equivalent ICE 911 has significantly less range than ICE Macan. Still 911 is way better car.

Personally I would not be happy to loose any level of sportiness for better range. Range lovers will be happy, since Macan is available soon.

Different car for different purpose.

Tayan will not loose customers if Macan goes further. Will lose if Macan goes faster and handles better.

It's not range that is the main issue, it's the tech and drivetrain, or perceived pecking order of these across the models.

 

[tchavei]

Range... The ultimate frontier.

Maybe this forum isn't the best reflexion of society since I assume that most here are successful in life or got lucky to be able to enjoy a Porsche. Probably most readers here that previously had ICE cars generally only visited the gas station occasionally to completely fill up their gas tanks which then gave them an autonomy (or range) of 800-1000km on a large diesel engine or a bit less on a gas one. I can understand that these type of people have a serious problem with an electric car where suddently they're limited to 300-400km max.

90% of society doesn't work like that though. Not from where I come from. I see people filling up their gas tanks with 5, 10 maybe 20 bucks because money is tight and they don't know what unexpected bill they can face tomorrow or maybe the kid needs to go to the dentist. So they fill up enough to go to work for a few days and then they'll see how things go.

With the recent war, gas prices yoyo up and down on a weekly basis so even if one has the money to fill up a gas tank, they won't because next Monday the gas price might plummet 12 cents per litre and it makes a difference.

For those people who live two or three days ahead, it makes absolutely no difference if an electric car has an autonomy of 200km or 2000km. They won't spend the money paying up front. They'll pay day to day as they need it.

The only time one wants extra range is on large trips and here, with all due respect, the initiative has to come from charging stations. We've all seen videos of people thundering through Germany and similar countries where the charging infrastructure is fantastic. You just have to stop every two hours for a 20 min charge up while you go to the toilet, stretch your legs and maybe have an coffee. Range is totally a non issue in that scenario.

I don't think the solution is to give cars more and more range but to develop the infrastructure to allow them to refill whenever needed.

My VERY old Z3 wouldn't do over 250km on a full tank and yet it never bothered me to stop, refill and go on.

What did bother me back then was that I managed to spend the gas faster than the fuel needle managed to move which would cause severe range errors since I could run out of gas while the needle was still at 1/4. If I stopped for 10 min, the needle would have time to show the real gas level. Believe me, it's a drama comic situation.

Honestly, personally I'm way more concerned about reliability (or lack of) in modern cars then getting 400km or 700km out of a single charge. Filled to the brim with electronics that eventually fail and need to be replaced at a high expense. I miss the time where a key lock would get worn out and you replaced it for $35. Now when it breaks, you'll have to fill 12 forms to prove ownership, wait a week for the factory in Germany to code a new module for your car and pay $1200 so you can drive your car for another 5 years because it will break again.

Taycan owners still have their cars all under warranty... Once that runs out then we all will have far bigger worries than range. Imagine the random Joe Doe with an Nissan Leaf, Renault Zoe or Honda-E.

Sorry for the rant.

 

[Jraeven]

Totaly agree with your nice post! Having a Taycan now for 2years and driven losts of long (1200 km) trips I can only confirm your post. The range issue is totaley overrated.

 

[Bognar67]

It's not range that is the main issue, it's the tech and drivetrain, or perceived pecking order of these across the models.

I am already very happy with the existing tech and drivetrain. Enjoying every ride with.
Top notch.

 

[Ompre]

Please do not forget. Taycan is a sports car. If you drive it with full speed your battery is reqly quick empty. I think for the enthusiasts they need more battery capacity.

Im wondering if the 1000 PS porsche have a rolling cage on the reare seats, than you can use the empty foodroom to put in 6 more cell modules. So with 1000 PS taycan you will gett 110 kWH of Battery storage ?

 

[Bognar67]

Please do not forget. Taycan is a sports car. If you drive it with full speed your battery is reqly quick empty. I think for the enthusiasts they need more battery capacity.

Im wondering if the 1000 PS porsche have a rolling cage on the reare seats, than you can use the empty foodroom to put in 6 more cell modules. So with 1000 PS taycan you will gett 110 kWH of Battery storage ?

Weight weight weight.
Need rather higher density than extra modules.

 

[Ompre]

Weight is over weighted.

Weight is only problematic when it is changing the center of gravity upwords. The battery would be 100kg more and they will save a lot of weight because they remove other parts and use carbon fiber for the existing parts instead of metal or plastic.

 

[Hirschaj]

Weight is over weighted.

Weight is only problematic when it is changing the center of gravity upwords.

 

[T-Fury]

Just speculating here, but using the Audi e-Tron as a basis.

The midcycle refresh of the e-Tron is underway (now e-Tron Q8) and they did increase the energy storage capacity of the battery from ~86 kWh to ~106 kWh (usable I believe) while keeping the same platform so I could possibly see that happening with the Taycan. That along with other hardware and efficiency changes should take the estimated range on the e-Tron 55 from 212 miles to 305 miles. The S version does have three motors so that would fit with an upcoming high power version of the Taycan with 3 motors. Earlier in the 1st iteration of the e-Tron they did unlock more of the battery having been conservative up front. Maybe something similar will occur with the Taycan and be backward compatible with older Taycan's like it was in the e-Tron. It was a minor improvement in range, but welcome given the e-Tron's starting range.

I was reading some of the information in this thread and was seeing parallels with what Audi/VAG did with the e-Tron and thought some of them may translate into the Taycan refresh.

 

[Hanny]

Please do not forget. Taycan is a sports car. If you drive it with full speed your battery is reqly quick empty. I think for the enthusiasts they need more battery capacity.

Im wondering if the 1000 PS porsche have a rolling cage on the reare seats, than you can use the empty foodroom to put in 6 more cell modules. So with 1000 PS taycan you will gett 110 kWH of Battery storage ?

Sorry, not sure I would agree that the Taycan comes under the true ‘sports car’ definition.My understanding is that a ‘true sports car’ configuration, would ideally be as light as possible in Oder to achieve the best weight to power ratio, thus if an ICE car - as small a fuel tank as possible to achieve fastest point A to B, for an EV surely that would equate to best battery size to keep weight down but can be lived with.

As mentioned above, the issue is not range/battery size, but the availability to be able to charge as you would fuel a car, equivalent EV chargers as fuel stations.

 

[cd77]

Today, I learned that the MY24 changes are supposed to be announced in April. But right now, of course, the changes are not clear yet.

 

[wafergold]

Today, I learned that the MY24 changes are supposed to be announced in April. But right now, of course, the changes are not clear yet.

Let's hope. And that it brings real improvement. officially from Porsche in Belgium it's for 2024 production 2025.
But if they do then they 're going to be behind other manufacturer.