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Any Taycan owners out there in colder climates who park their Taycan inside a garage and have installed an additional heater or two in the garage to help keep the batteries and car warmer throughout the night in hopes to improve battery performance?
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IMO, it doesn’t make much sense to have additional heating as it may be more expensive to heat rather than experience a bit worse mileage due to a cold battery. My car is always outside and I’m completely fine with it.

If anybody did real calculation, it’d be interesting to know :)
 

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Any Taycan owners out there in colder climates who park their Taycan inside a garage and have installed an additional heater or two in the garage to help keep the batteries and car warmer throughout the night in hopes to improve battery performance?
Why not simply keep the charger plugged in (say at 80% max)? Seems like a simpler approach to accomplish the same end?
 

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Why not simply keep the charger plugged in (say at 80% max)? Seems like a simpler approach to accomplish the same end?
As far as I know, once the car is charged, and there are no timers, being plugged in will not keep the battery warm. I believe the recommended approach, and what I'm doing, is keep the charger plugged in, and then either with a timer, or by manually clicking the precondition button on your phone when you wake up, start the 60-minute preheating before driving. Note that it is the webasto resistance heater that is doing this preheating of the battery (if it is below 50F) and interior (if it is below the prescribed temp), so being plugged in is good.

If I lived in a really cold climate like MN or AK, I might consider a garage heater so that the car isn't warming up from a -20F starting point in the morning.
 

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Any Taycan owners out there in colder climates who park their Taycan inside a garage and have installed an additional heater or two in the garage to help keep the batteries and car warmer throughout the night in hopes to improve battery performance?
It is super expensive to heat a garage with an electric heater. (I tried this one year when I was doing some woodworking in my garage and it doubled my bill.)

If you have access to your own home heating system and want to add a vent to a duct that is not quite as expensive.

Personally, I wouldn’t add the heater. The car is designed to work in all climates. If there were an issue, I think we would’ve heard of it by now from our friends in Scandinavia and Canada.
 


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Any Taycan owners out there in colder climates who park their Taycan inside a garage and have installed an additional heater or two in the garage to help keep the batteries and car warmer throughout the night in hopes to improve battery performance?
I have a heated detached garage. It's far more expensive to heat the garage than to use a departure timer to heat the battery.
 

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I don’t believe the Taycan pulls power from the EVSE for preheating (unless it’s also charging at the same time). I had my MY24 plugged in and started preheating - it didn’t pull anything from the grid and drained the battery for preheating. Seems quite a big shame for it not to pull from the house (aka shore power).
 

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I don’t believe the Taycan pulls power from the EVSE for preheating (unless it’s also charging at the same time). I had my MY24 plugged in and started preheating - it didn’t pull anything from the grid and drained the battery for preheating. Seems quite a big shame for it not to pull from the house (aka shore power).
if you fall below your pre-set max (let's assume 80%), the battery will charge...so any drain on the battery will be made up by shore power
 


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I don’t believe the Taycan pulls power from the EVSE for preheating (unless it’s also charging at the same time). I had my MY24 plugged in and started preheating - it didn’t pull anything from the grid and drained the battery for preheating. Seems quite a big shame for it not to pull from the house (aka shore power).
It does though. We have timers set to finish charging at 5:00 AM and pre-heat at 8:15. Below is the graph of power usage for our whole house last Friday in 15 minute increments. You can see the 15 KWh charge finishing at 5 and then there's another spike at 8:00 which is the power draw on the house from the battery being pre-heated. Note that it only draws "shore power" when preheating on the timer. If I initiate a pre-heat from the app it heats from the battery, not the EVSE.

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Ah that’s very interesting! Thanks for the info. I have a trip tomorrow and will test.
 

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It does though. We have timers set to finish charging at 5:00 AM and pre-heat at 8:15. Below is the graph of power usage for our whole house last Friday in 15 minute increments. You can see the 15 KWh charge finishing at 5 and then there's another spike at 8:00 which is the power draw on the house from the battery being pre-heated. Note that it only draws "shore power" when preheating on the timer. If I initiate a pre-heat from the app it heats from the battery, not the EVSE.

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Love the data! However, I think you're wrong about the App. Asking to "Pre-Heat" only applies to the cabin temperature, seat heater, etc.

To my knowledge there is no way to manually ask the Taycan to pre-heat the HV battery. On a number of threads you'll find requests for this feature.
 

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During the winter, I stick an old 120v electric oil heater in my two car garage to take the edge off. Not too expensive to run if you keep it at a low power level. It wont make it toasty in there, but helps
 

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It is super expensive to heat a garage with an electric heater. (I tried this one year when I was doing some woodworking in my garage and it doubled my bill.)

If you have access to your own home heating system and want to add a vent to a duct that is not quite as expensive.

Personally, I wouldn’t add the heater. The car is designed to work in all climates. If there were an issue, I think we would’ve heard of it by now from our friends in Scandinavia and Canada.
If the garage is not insulated (most are not in the PNW), heating it will be expensive whether you tie it to your central heating or not. If your central heating runs on natural gas, it might be cheaper than electric heating, but in the end it's the same amount of energy required to heat that garage. If you really want one heated, start by insulating it, then heat with your method of choice.
 
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It does though. We have timers set to finish charging at 5:00 AM and pre-heat at 8:15. Below is the graph of power usage for our whole house last Friday in 15 minute increments. You can see the 15 KWh charge finishing at 5 and then there's another spike at 8:00 which is the power draw on the house from the battery being pre-heated. Note that it only draws "shore power" when preheating on the timer. If I initiate a pre-heat from the app it heats from the battery, not the EVSE.

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Are you sure it's actually heating from shore power, rather than deplete the battery and then start charging to replenish it before departure? What is your max EVSE current and do you have a graph showing KW rather than KWh? That could show us if it was drawing just enough to heat, or was it drawing the max in order to charge the battery.
 

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Are you sure it's actually heating from shore power, rather than deplete the battery and then start charging to replenish it before departure? What is your max EVSE current and do you have a graph showing KW rather than KWh? That could show us if it was drawing just enough to heat, or was it drawing the max in order to charge the battery.
That's KWh in 15 minute increments. The EVSE max draw has been 10.8 to 11 KW. So what you're seeing just prior to 5 AM is the EVSE drawing 2.7 KWh in each 15 minute span on top of the background consumption. Then again in the 8 to 8:15 segment that's power going through the EVSE It's going into the high voltage system bus. It could be drawing at full power, but the battery is absolutely being heated during that time and the charging timer is set to finish by 4:55 AM and the garage is kept at 45 degrees, so it's the preheat timer that's causing the power to be drawn.

The heater at 10 KW, plus the pumps essentially matches the 10.8 KW the car can draw from the EVSE. Perhaps if the ESE was only delivering 5 KW the battery might be getting drawn down. Porsche has said in as many words that 1.4 KW charging can actually drain the traction battery in cold climates because the power going in is less than the battery heating consumption.
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