Dee
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Still funny.My post was shallow and pointless! Lost in translation.
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Still funny.My post was shallow and pointless! Lost in translation.
It did make sense but not in relation to my point.I don’t know what doesn’t make sense about what I said so I have nothing further to comment.
How fast do people want to drive on public roads?
And if its not on public roads, its on a track where the Taycan Turbo S should be quicker than any Tesla - as they have got all the important stuff that you mentioned (handling, brakes, chassis etc) sorted out way better Tesla.
Or, it may be on the Drag Strip. In which case stick with Tesla Plaid if 0-60 is important to you.
The chief designer of the Taycan said he drove every electric car, but his only bench mark was the 911.
Says it all really.
And as stared above, I also barely notice the gear change on my Taycan.
I trust Porsche engineers way more than I would Tesla.
I was only taking about performance, 0-60, as Porsche is all about performance.
Performance includes many aspects you can experience other than 0-60. 60-100 for example. Top speed and ability to sustain it, cornering capabilities, 60-0 (braking performance), repeatability of performance parameters (such as 0-60, 60-0), etc, etc. All these things fall into a category of performance which you are right Porsche is all about. You however seem to be equating performance as 0-60 times, nothing else. If Porsche defined performance as narrowly as you do, all Porsches would look something like this:I'm talking about performance, things you can actually experience.
Let me put it this way: if you see people don't understand your point just stop explaining.Performance includes many aspects you can experience other than 0-60. 60-100 for example. Top speed and ability to sustain it, cornering capabilities, 60-0 (braking performance), repeatability of performance parameters (such as 0-60, 60-0), etc, etc. All these things fall into a category of performance which you are right Porsche is all about. You however seem to be equating performance as 0-60 times, nothing else. If Porsche defined performance as narrowly as you do, all Porsches would look something like this:
I read this entire thread. You keep saying "2 speed did not make a difference in performance". You seem to be basing that argument on 0-60 mph acceleration only. Did you look at 0-100mph, or more importantly 50-150 mph accelerations? I think Porsches 2-speed transmission choice was driven by two things 1- They wanted a more natural acceleration curve, a curve that resembles an ICE vehicle 2- They wanted to make the HP-Performance ratio somewhat comparable to the ICE vehicles in their line up. Taycans don't have that major drop in acceleration you experience in many other EVs after 60-70 mph. And this was made possible with the 2-speed set up.So the Taycan has a 2-speed gearbox.
As we all know, a gearbox is to overcome the shortcomings of an engine/motor.
So why did Porsche make a gearbox as electric motors really don't need a gearbox after all due to their power and torquecurve.
I guess it was to defeat Tesla but in the end it isn't that quick after all, still ridiculously quick though...
So, my conclusion is that it only added extra weight and that has killed the extra performance (and efficiency) which I think was the whole concept of adding a gearbox: to improve performance.
What Porsche should've done is raise the ratio more cuz only then it would benefit the performance (if you wear proper shoes that is).
I'm talking 0-60 times here.
Ok, you'll loose some topspeed but still it would make much more sense.
What are your thoughts about the advantage of a gearbox in the Taycan?
No.You seem to be basing that argument on 0-60 mph acceleration only. Did you look at 0-100mph, or more importantly 50-150 mph accelerations? I think Porsches 2-speed transmission choice was driven by two things 1- They wanted a more natural acceleration curve, a curve that resembles an ICE vehicle 2- They wanted to make the HP-Performance ratio somewhat comparable to the ICE vehicles in their line up. Taycans don't have that major drop in acceleration you experience in many other EVs after 60-70 mph. And this was made possible with the 2-speed set up.
Electric motors have a completely different torque curve so that's total nonsense.I think Porsches 2-speed transmission choice was driven by two things 1- They wanted a more natural acceleration curve, a curve that resembles an ICE vehicle
I guess you guys don't have Tesla Model S Plain in your country. In the US, if 0-60 is your top priority, you buy a Plaid, unless you have a ton of money, then you buy a Nevera which leaves Plaid in the dust. Even the SUV version (Model X Plaid) will out-accelerate a Taycan Turbo S sedan 0-60 any time - with or without launch control (Taycan actually does worse against a Plaid without launch control). Google drag racing videos of Plaid vs Taycan.With the Taycan you can have your cake and eat it. whether it’s 0-60mph humiliating Tesla’s,
Then I really hope you don't run into one, as it would be extra humiliating to be out-accelerated by a soccer mom in a cheepskate car full of kids.It’s considered a wage slave, cheapskate car. It’s lifestyle branding is awfull.
I think you're missing the point of this topic.You guys need to drive more in Europe.
0-60mph is fun. But going from 70mph-130mph is way more fun. Tesla’s just seem to come to a stand still. With the Taycan you can have your cake and eat it. whether it’s 0-60mph humiliating Tesla’s, Or 70-140mhz laugh at bmw5’s and Mercs e’s.
that’s why you have the gearbox. If you don’t find that fun, then maybe you should move to Kia or Tesla.
I think we just crossed into Elon reality territory, selling dreams of what could be in the future, rather that what is today. I already waited years for Porsche to finally release Mission E, then over 2 years for them to release and finally build me a Taycan Turbo CT. Not waiting some unknown number of years to get a 1200hp Taycan CT or ST. To be honest, I would not bet any money that it will even be available by the time my Taycan runs out of its factory warranty.Imagine what a new Turbo S with 1200hp and a gearbox would do, take off