TycanNewHampshire
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@fullmetalbaal , I understand your point about profit; however, companies are in business to make profit...I don't see them investing if they can use other peoples money, that's what leverage is all about. Not to mention the additional social dilemma that we have (at least in the U.S.) where officials magically end up on the boards of these companies after a bill was passed when they were in office that funds those exact same companies. One final cherry on top....less profits, means less money for lobbyists that will cost a fraction of what they would spend on infrastructure/R&D investment. Thus, back to square-one of path of least resistance/lowest investment for greatest return and you will end up with a public/private partnership.
@feye I tend to agree with this/your logic and the network is built for a niche volume of cars, despite being the 'largest network' (not sure if this is still true in totality), it is nowhere near the size needed to meet the demand that the government is going to put on the system when the mandates for producing EV vehicles start to go into effect.
So, you see the dilemma....the government creates artificial demand by forcing faster adoption of EV vehicles and not allowing the market to scale at the responsible rate of reinvestment and then the only logical solution, can be argued that government should be partially responsible for subsidizing the growth of the service/power network to meet the demand it created. Voters will expect there to be a convienient infrastructure in place for forcing them to purchase a new car that is electric by a set date and it will be popular to those that vote for it; as I am sure they will say that "it is completely paid for...it will cost nothing".....So Mote it Be
N.B. Tesla is no stranger to this game....just look at all the public funding it has received and what they are doing:
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-motors-secret-weapon-thoughts-lobbying-efforts/
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-hires-in-house-lobbyist.7232/
....I could find a dozen more.....
And they benefit from it:
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/08/03/tesla-subsidies-how-much/
https://www.rt.com/usa/264065-musk-tesla-government-subsidies/
....this goes across all the brands/business units - here is an example of a single-project, yet alone all of the going concerns business:
https://pjmedia.com/columns/drew-jo...payer-funded-explosion-was-a-success-n1227501
...but don't worry, it is rampant and everyone is getting in on the action. Corporations are becoming the 'government' and almost every politician in the U.S. will tout accolades of public-private partnerships. No doubt when the 'infrastructure bill passes', if anyone cares to read it, we will have plenty to talk about.
Final example to not bash Tesla, in order to showcase that this is the 'new normal' and it is just a more sophisticated way of cronyism/corruption that can't be called out on the 24-hour news cycle where media consumers can only digest hyperbolic soundbites:
http://wilmingtonjournal.com/jeff-b...m-nasa-before-he-takes-off-on-his-own-rocket/
I am not arguing for or against, right or wrong...just highlighting what reality is.
@feye I tend to agree with this/your logic and the network is built for a niche volume of cars, despite being the 'largest network' (not sure if this is still true in totality), it is nowhere near the size needed to meet the demand that the government is going to put on the system when the mandates for producing EV vehicles start to go into effect.
So, you see the dilemma....the government creates artificial demand by forcing faster adoption of EV vehicles and not allowing the market to scale at the responsible rate of reinvestment and then the only logical solution, can be argued that government should be partially responsible for subsidizing the growth of the service/power network to meet the demand it created. Voters will expect there to be a convienient infrastructure in place for forcing them to purchase a new car that is electric by a set date and it will be popular to those that vote for it; as I am sure they will say that "it is completely paid for...it will cost nothing".....So Mote it Be
N.B. Tesla is no stranger to this game....just look at all the public funding it has received and what they are doing:
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-motors-secret-weapon-thoughts-lobbying-efforts/
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-hires-in-house-lobbyist.7232/
....I could find a dozen more.....
And they benefit from it:
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/08/03/tesla-subsidies-how-much/
https://www.rt.com/usa/264065-musk-tesla-government-subsidies/
....this goes across all the brands/business units - here is an example of a single-project, yet alone all of the going concerns business:
https://pjmedia.com/columns/drew-jo...payer-funded-explosion-was-a-success-n1227501
...but don't worry, it is rampant and everyone is getting in on the action. Corporations are becoming the 'government' and almost every politician in the U.S. will tout accolades of public-private partnerships. No doubt when the 'infrastructure bill passes', if anyone cares to read it, we will have plenty to talk about.
Final example to not bash Tesla, in order to showcase that this is the 'new normal' and it is just a more sophisticated way of cronyism/corruption that can't be called out on the 24-hour news cycle where media consumers can only digest hyperbolic soundbites:
http://wilmingtonjournal.com/jeff-b...m-nasa-before-he-takes-off-on-his-own-rocket/
I am not arguing for or against, right or wrong...just highlighting what reality is.
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