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Wow Cayenne figures for the US have doubled in 2019
 

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I don’t think it is true. What I mean that probably 130 were delivered but mostly demo cars for dealers, there is no way it is already 130 owners
 
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I don’t think it is true. What I mean that probably 130 were delivered but mostly demo cars for dealers, there is no way it is already 130 owners
I understand your thinking that, and I initially thought that if the word was only "delivered", but they say "sales". I do not believe that the US dealerships pay for inventory up front, so their demo cars could not be counted as sales until they get sold. That's my thinking anyway. Maybe someone on the forum with car dealership knowledge.
 

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The demo car I drove had a used car Monroney on it. The salesman said they had to take off the original because it's not considered a new car anymore. (Also, they got in 2 and were allowed to sell one of them to a VIP customer).

So I think all the demos count as sold orders.
 

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I understand your thinking that, and I initially thought that if the word was only "delivered", but they say "sales". I do not believe that the US dealerships pay for inventory up front, so their demo cars could not be counted as sales until they get sold. That's my thinking anyway. Maybe someone on the forum with car dealership knowledge.
US dealerships pay upfront for inventory in most cases
 

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US dealerships pay upfront for inventory in most cases
the car is not titled so it isn’t considered sold.

if it was “sold” to the dealer, it would not be eligible for the Federal ev subsidies when it is sold to the consumer
 

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The salesman said they had to take off the original because it's not considered a new car anymore.

So I think all the demos count as sold orders.
if it is not a new car, then it isn’t eligible for the federal ev subsidy so it is effectively 7500 more than a new one. Same applies to the state subsidies.
 

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the car is not titled so it isn’t considered sold.

if it was “sold” to the dealer, it would not be eligible for the Federal ev subsidies when it is sold to the consumer
they may be registered to a member of staff !
That’s what some dealers do in the uk
 

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if it is not a new car, then it isn’t eligible for the federal ev subsidy so it is effectively 7500 more than a new one. Same applies to the state subsidies.
Given that they can't sell it today, it'll be like any other used Taycan on the market when they are allowed to sell it. It'll be worth whatever a used Taycan is worth. Probably less, because people think of dealer demos like buying a used rental car.
 

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Given that they can't sell it today, it'll be like any other used Taycan on the market when they are allowed to sell it.
Why can’t they sell it today?
if they bought it and paid for it, they own it.

if they aren’t allowed to sell it, then it wasn’t sold to them and the numbers we are looking at are for consumer sales.
 

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if it is not a new car, then it isn’t eligible for the federal ev subsidy so it is effectively 7500 more than a new one. Same applies to the state subsidies.
Right, but I'd assume that you'd get money off it for being a "used" demo car, plus whatever the dealership would have made in federal/state credits/rebates. I sure would press a dealership on that point, and I wouldn't accept anything less than a hefty discount on such a Taycan.
 

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Wow Cayenne figures for the US have doubled in 2019
In fact, Porsche was down on sales on ALL their vehicles for the entire year except for Cayenne (and, of course, Taycan). I guess that the new-look Cayenne has grabbed a lot of new customers. It's interesting that Cayenne sales have almost equalled Macan sales in 2019.
 

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