Just ordered 19.2 kW AC On-Board Charger.

[polarbear]

I live in Texas, US.
I've ordered Taycan 4S yesterday and added HUD and 19.2 kW AC On-Board Charger.
(You can add those options at your local dealership in the US but not at Porsche website.)

I have only 120V power outlets in my garage so I have to tell my electrician to install 240V outlets.

What do I have to tell him specifically? I've heard NEMA 14-50 only covers 9.6kW(240V, 40amps) but mine is 19.2 kW.

Thanks in advance.

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[paxton]

I live in Texas, US.
I've ordered Taycan 4S yesterday and added HUD and 19.2 kW AC On-Board Charger.
(You can add those options at your local dealership in the US but not at Porsche website.)

I have only 120V power outlets in my garage so I have to tell my electrician to install 240V outlets.

What do I have to tell him specifically? I've heard NEMA 14-50 only covers 9.6kW(240V, 40amps) but mine is 19.2 kW.

Thanks in advance.

What is the cost of the 19.2kW charger option?

 

[Miwa]

That's a weird option for the US. And a weird option in general. It's probably really a 22kW capability. I wonder if it allows plugging in both sides of the car at once or something, so you can use 2 50A chargers.

Without 3-phase power, you likely aren't getting 19.2kW. Be interesting if it's meant for 480V 3-phase from a farm or something.

It'd take a 100A rated 240V circuit, plus an EVSE that can handle 80A continuous to get 19.2kW, which is a bit crazy.

 

[taycan_sportturismo]

Oh! That makes way more sense. I always thought that a dedicated 240V 100A circuit for 19.2Kw+ charging was normal until you said it like that. So how should we setup such charging (19.2-22Kw) for ourselves at home?

 

[daveo4EV]

no it's not both sides.

you'll need a Tesla Gen2 Wall Charger or the 100 amp ClipperCreek J-1772 charger…

19.2 kW is the most power covered by the L2 (240 volt) North American J-1772 charging standard to which the Taycan confirms.

there are _NO_ available 22 kW J-1772 chargers - because there is no specification for that much power with in the J-1772 standard/specifciations

now I'm sure Porsche could "adapt" the standard and publish a x.1 adendem to the specification, but the Taycan would be the _ONLY_ EV on the market with support for that - and I doubt there would be any market for J-1772 chargers beyond the Taycan market…

my honest opinion is that once you're talking more than a 60 amp breaker - a home/residential CCS charger would be a better choice - and the cost for the 19.2 kW charger covers about 1/2 to 2/3 of the cost of CCS charger - and you then don't need the 22/19.2 kW charger option cause CCS bypasses the onboard car charger and at least 50 kW if not 150 kW…

you are very very unlikely to run into 19.2 kW chargers in the wild other than your home…

I'd put the money towards a CCS charger

the 19.2 kW is at least $3000
and the 100 amp charger from clipper creek is $2195

that's $5,195 _BEFORE_ you've even installed your 100 amp circuit to your garage…

and again I'll emphasize there are virtually _NO_ J-1772 chargers "in the wild" that are beyond 48 amps - yes there are few - but it's not going to help you while road tripping.

this is a HOME charging configuration only - it's not going to make anything faster at 99.9% of the J-1772 chargers you'll encounter away from home.

 

[daveo4EV]

https://store.clippercreek.com/level2/level2-40-to-80/cs-100-80-amp-ev-charging-station

this is the ClipperCreek Charger that can do 19.2 kW - that's 240 volts @ 80 amps - which requires a 100 amp breaker and corresponding WireGuage -it's $2,195

the most affordable 100/80 amp charger will be the Tesla Gen2 Wall Charger with an 80 amp TeslaTap/JDAapter - the Tesla Wall Charger is adjustable from 20-80 amps (100 amp breaker) and cost $500.

https://shop.tesla.com/product/wall-connector

doh - Tesla no longer sells the Gen2 wall charger - the current model they are selling can only do 48 amp - you'd have to get a Gen2 off eBay or you're stuck with the ClipperCreek models.

I've used several for years and they are quite reliable.

there are not a lot of choices for 100/80 amp J-1772 chargers…and ClipperCreek is going to be the best.

You wil instruct your electrician to install a 100 amp circuit to the garage - there will be "no plug" because anything more than 50 amps is "hardwired" as required by building code…

I supposed Porsche could publish/ship a 22 kW charger, but hat would require 91 amps which requires a 113 amp breaker, so for 22 kW in the US you'd need a 115 or 120 amp breaker, and corresponding wire gauge.

there is no doubt the charger in the US version can do 22 kW, but there is no standard/infrastructure for that much power in the J-1772 charging standard.

 

[daveo4EV]

I would _NOT_ check that box - unless it was less than $1000…

 

[daveo4EV]

and just to be clear - when you are AWAY from home you will encounter two types of chargers

1. L2 J-1772 chargers that are 11 kw or less - majority (90%) are 6 kW or 7.2 kW chargers
2. CCS FastDc chargers - the minimal charge rate for the Taycan with CCS is 50 kW

it will be extraordinarily rare to encounter an L2 charger in the wild that was more than 48 amps - it rare to find even a full 40 amps - 80 amp J-1772 chargers - ROFL - yeah that's not going to happen.

this option has NOTHING TO DO WITH CCS FAST CHARGING - and does not make your Taycan charge any faster at the Chargepoint Charger at the mall which is 208 volts @ 30 amps (6 kW).

save your money.

 

[daveo4EV]

the two options:

1. the 19.2 kW on board charger on the Taycan
2. the 100 amp Clipper creek

are half the cost of this:

https://www.evchargesolutions.com/Delta-EV-DC-Quick-Charger-Wallbox-p/deltadcfcsingle.htm

this charger will charge _ANY_ CCS EV at nearly 20 kW cause it's using the CCS plug on the vehicle and would most likely use the same 240 volt 100 amp circuit - this option would have greater longevity in your garage, because it's very very unlikely any other EV you will purchase in the future will support 19.2 kW J-1772- but nearly all EV's will support at least 50 kW charging via CCS (which this charger is)…

and this charger would offer 20 kW charge rate to all modern EV's.

a DCFC 25 kW charger - that has a 240 volt single phase configuration option.

 

[daveo4EV]

Porsche could ship their 22 kW PMCC in the US with single phase support for 80 amps - but given the overheating problems we're having with 40 amp version - I"d be dubious that it would be a good option.

they would have to provide a 100/80 amp rated supply cable for the PMCC - and it would be a hardwired charger - not mobile because there is no North American standard for a plug greater than 40/50 amps.

so it would no longer be the PMCC - it would be the PCC

19.2 kW J-1772 is a 100 amp circuit (80 amps usable).

 

[daveo4EV]

I'm noting a PMCC listed on the options - is that the 9.6 kW NEMA 14-50 version?

 

[Terra]

What is the cost of the 19.2kW charger option?

I live in Texas, US.
I've ordered Taycan 4S yesterday and added HUD and 19.2 kW AC On-Board Charger.
(You can add those options at your local dealership in the US but not at Porsche website.)

I have only 120V power outlets in my garage so I have to tell my electrician to install 240V outlets.

What do I have to tell him specifically? I've heard NEMA 14-50 only covers 9.6kW(240V, 40amps) but mine is 19.2 kW.

Thanks in advance.

And you confirmed 3-Phase power. Could be costly to upgrade

 

[daveo4EV]

19.2 kW does not require 3 phase power - it only requires a 100 amp circuit (80 amps for EVSE equipment).

 

[LovinTaycan]

19.2 kW does not require 3 phase power - it only requires a 100 amp circuit (80 amps for EVSE equipment).

Correct. Tesla has had a 19.2 kw charger for years, which charges over 50miles/hr. I had one.

As stated, all you need is a 100 amp single phase circuit and it will work just fine with the correct wall charger. It will cut that charging time almost in half, if that is something you desire.

I know everyone says, what is the difference if you charge overnight, and maybe it is just me, but when I had my Tesla P100D, I found myself charging all the time during the day, and I was glad it charged so fast as home.

 

[daveo4EV]

I have a multi-EVSE shared circuit 100 amp charging setup - 4 Tesla Wall chargers sharing a 100 amp circuit - which means when only one car is charging it can have up to 80 amp for itself.

I owned a P85/P85D w/Dual 80 amp chargers - and did charge at 19.2 kW - it was nice. My Wife’s Model X has a 72 amp charger and it is also nice.

I’m simply suggesting - the only 100 amp charger I’m aware of since Tesla no longer offer’s it’s 100 amp wall charger is the ClipperCreek for $2195

just making sure it’s an informed purchase - this option will be very unlikely to benefit you away from your home charging setup.

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