Mountain Test Drive of the 2025 Taycan Turbo Cross Turismo J1.2

[mrmax]

It looks like the car is very new - was the brake regen active? The car will be far less efficient before regen activates. From everything I have read and my own experience J1.1 -> J1.2 I would expect the various range/efficiency improvements would at least roughly balance the aero hit going from Sedan->CT if driven under similar circumstances but that’s a guess.

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[TaycanRe]

It looks like the car is very new - was the brake regen active? The car will be far less efficient before regen activates. From everything I have read and my own experience J1.1 -> J1.2 I would expect the various range/efficiency improvements would at least roughly balance the aero hit going from Sedan->CT if driven under similar circumstances but that’s a guess.

Yes, regenerative braking is active, but it doesn’t seem particularly useful for motorway driving. After 4,000 km, I’m still experiencing a car that’s at least 10–15% less efficient compared to my 2020 model. It’s quite frustrating!

 

[Boss Hogg]

I use my J1.2 daily and cover a lot of miles commuting and it s c. 15% more efficient than my J1, add the 15% bigger battery it has c. 30% more range. I have not changed body style, so saloon to CT may/will be cancelling out the efficiency gain, in particular at motorway speeds.

Enjoy the Alps, looks great!

 

[FredC057]

@Boss Hogg , 15% bigger battery because you change battery size on your saloon or because of the change of battery size between j1 and j1.2.

I hope to get 30% more range if I pass from my j1 CT4S from 2022 to a new model.
Currently on highway and with the cold weather I’m managing 200km from 80% to 2% and it’s not enough to be comfortable anymore.

 

[Boss Hogg]

@Boss Hogg , 15% bigger battery because you change battery size on your saloon or because of the change of battery size between j1 and j1.2.

I hope to get 30% more range if I pass from my j1 CT4S from 2022 to a new model.
Currently on highway and with the cold weather I’m managing 200km from 80% to 2% and it’s not enough to be comfortable anymore.

I had the performance + in the J1 and the same battery in the J1.2 has 15% more capacity (something like 84 vs 97 useable kWh) but weighs less. It is due primarily to different chemistry between J1 and J1.2 batteries so the J1.2 also charges faster and operates at a wider temp range, for example it only needs to be at around 17 degrees C for fast DC charging vs something like 37 degrees in J1, so less energy used/wasted to 'pre-condition', this all adds up to a big improvement on longer motorway trips.

 

[roger-on-taycan]

Yes, regenerative braking is active, but it doesn’t seem particularly useful for motorway driving. After 4,000 km, I’m still experiencing a car that’s at least 10–15% less efficient compared to my 2020 model. It’s quite frustrating!

I’ve heard that the choice of tire (Michelin vs. Pirelli etc.) can also have an impact on range. Does your 2024 run the same tires as the 2020 did?

 

[Jonathan S.]

First, and perhaps even foremost, we ‘Mericans greatly appreciate your translations into Freedom Units. (Or are you just scared that our incoming leader will slap a 100,000% tariff on all imported French goods?)

That said, I suspect that few EV models could match an estimated range of 360 km (224 miles) under those conditions:

• Temps of around 0°C/32°F, which although not especially cold for skiing or other winter activities, are already far below optimal and pretty much the range for which worst-case EV scenarios are demonstrated.
• Average speed of 93 km/h (58 mph), which unless you were within a range of, say, 56 to 60mph, probably entails lots of sustained stretches of 70+ mph, getting well into the speed at which many supposed range-champ EV models really drop off.
• Winter tires (ahem, not “tyres”!) that probably have far higher rolling resistance that any OEM tire for which EV range is ever tested.
• Significant elevation differential, far beyond the 300m/1000ft that I’ve found to have a noticeable impact.

Overall, that’s almost a worst-case scenario for real-world EV range (other than driving an especially high speeds), combining many factors that are never included even on their own for range tests.

Now please hurry up and post some skiing pictures (or whatever else you were doing in the Alps), or I will clutter up this thread with pictures of skiing this past week on NH’s Mt Washington (which is 6,288 feet, a number so sacrosanct to us that it should never be translated into meters).

 

[Jonathan S.]

I’ve heard that the choice of tire (Michelin vs. Pirelli etc.) can also have an impact on range. Does your 2024 run the same tires as the 2020 did?

The specific tire model has a far bigger potential impact on range that across different brands as a whole -- ever major tire company has at least one model that is optimized for low rolling resistance, while also offering many models that sacrifice rolling resistance efficiency for various performance factors.
Tire Rack has run some tests on this.
Given that the OP is running dedicated winter tires, the rolling resistance must be far worse than any tire with which any EV is equipped as OEM.

 

[TaycanRe]

I’ve heard that the choice of tire (Michelin vs. Pirelli etc.) can also have an impact on range. Does your 2024 run the same tires as the 2020 did?

Hi! Same tires and wheels!
Pirelli winter tires

 

[TaycanRe]

First, and perhaps even foremost, we ‘Mericans greatly appreciate your translations into Freedom Units. (Or are you just scared that our incoming leader will slap a 100,000% tariff on all imported French goods?)

That said, I suspect that few EV models could match an estimated range of 360 km (224 miles) under those conditions:

• Temps of around 0°C/32°F, which although not especially cold for skiing or other winter activities, are already far below optimal and pretty much the range for which worst-case EV scenarios are demonstrated.
• Average speed of 93 km/h (58 mph), which unless you were within a range of, say, 56 to 60mph, probably entails lots of sustained stretches of 70+ mph, getting well into the speed at which many supposed range-champ EV models really drop off.
• Winter tires (ahem, not “tyres”!) that probably have far higher rolling resistance that any OEM tire for which EV range is ever tested.
• Significant elevation differential, far beyond the 300m/1000ft that I’ve found to have a noticeable impact.

Overall, that’s almost a worst-case scenario for real-world EV range (other than driving an especially high speeds), combining many factors that are never included even on their own for range tests.

Now please hurry up and post some skiing pictures (or whatever else you were doing in the Alps), or I will clutter up this thread with pictures of skiing this past week on NH’s Mt Washington (which is 6,288 feet, a number so sacrosanct to us that it should never be translated into meters).

Hi!
Elevation was a bit higher than 1000ft
Closer to 4500ft.
Please find some skiing pictures, can’t wait to see yours! Enjoy!

 

[Jonathan S.]

^ Now those are some proper snow-covered mountains!
(Regardless of whether either the snow or mountains are measured in Freedom Units.)

My most recent ski pictures have not featured by Taycan, since it has been out of commission for a awhile after its destructive encounter with a racoon (or similarly sized critter).
But I do have some ski pictures here, especially last week (from the "Florida family trip" -- during which I went skiing while my family went to Florida!):
https://www.strava.com/athletes/1583171

 

[JohnPM]

Much more benign conditions for my 4S CT trip today but equivalent range came out to 236 miles. https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/j1-2-4s-cross-turismo-range-data-point.23250/

 

[corgidad]

Drove through a snow storm on New Year's Day in Vermont, from Burlington VT to Boston (236 miles). Obviously it was cold and very windy.

Ended up with 2.4 miles / kWh with average speed of 66mph

Here's the elevation profile:

 

[TaycanRe]

Drove through a snow storm on New Year's Day in Vermont, from Burlington VT to Boston (236 miles). Obviously it was cold and very windy.

Ended up with 2.4 miles / kWh with average speed of 66mph

Here's the elevation profile:

Nice!
Consumption looks similar to my experience. A bit better.
What tires are you using?

 

[Poshfpg]

This was French Alps to London on Sunday. 20" Pirelli Winter wheels 2022 4S CT. Made it to Calais on 3 charges to 80-85%, a quick charge pre boarding the tunnel got me home. Happy with the consumption given the weather was foul most of the way and we were 4 up plus dog and luggage.

The average moving speed is lower than reality as we didn't turn the car off bar, the first charge, and the queues at the Eurotunnel cost us 90mins and that was with Flexi.

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