Not impressed real world test. Battery issues or just marketing lies?

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Some tips to folks here:
1. Don’t report charging speed as mi/min just click on that number on the lower PCM screen or in Porsche Connect app screen to convert to kW.
2. Check your battery temp before charging and try to raise it. You can add battery temp to the info screen that can be selected on right circle dial if driver’s console.
3. Raise temp by routing to a fast charger within the Porsche navigation system if possible, by using sport plus mode if you have the sport Chrono package if possible or by driving aggressively as you near the charger. Having 70F or better is recommended.
I get 260mi ranges on freeway driving 60-80mph pretty easy with outside temps 55-70.
4000 miles in car.

When the car is new it avoids using regeneration to bed the breaks, this is why efficiency is minimal initially.
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Some tips to folks here:
1. Don’t report charging speed as mi/min just click on that number on the lower PCM screen or in Porsche Connect app screen to convert to kW.
2. Check your battery temp before charging and try to raise it. You can add battery temp to the info screen that can be selected on right circle dial if driver’s console.
3. Raise temp by routing to a fast charger within the Porsche navigation system if possible, by using sport plus mode if you have the sport Chrono package if possible or by driving aggressively as you near the charger. Having 70F or better is recommended.
I get 260mi ranges on freeway driving 60-80mph pretty easy with outside temps 55-70.
4000 miles in car.

When the car is new it avoids using regeneration to bed the breaks, this is why efficiency is minimal initially.

so I set a long journey in the sat Nav it tried to divert me to a random charger, this time I let it divert me to Ionity. Plus it was on charge with a timer prior to leaving for 48hrs and it didn’t get to the 100% I asked for. Battery temp on leaving 2degrees for first journey, 12 degrees travelling in range mode to first charger and 36 degrees when leaving first Ionity charger, and again for next 2 charges choose ones on the Nav map.
 

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Whilst this does not answer your original question some things I noted:

1. Ionity charging should not have been that expensive. Its supposed to be 0.35p per KwH but you need to have registered with Porsche on your Porsche Account (which is free of charge). I can only assume that price is for a non-registered access which costs double. By the way for MY21 cars, once registered you should be able to drive up to an Ionity charger and just plug in - the car does all the handshaking and payment through your Porsche account. I am not sure if that's enabled as yet though.

2. The cars range improves over time/mileage and usage but weather (cold) plays a part, even though you pre-warmed the car. Currently in the UK (South) 85% charge is providing me approx 210 miles range. Again, age, usage style and conditions all play a role and this is in normal driving mode on 21 inch wheels.

3. The charging stop issues I have not experienced apart from a couple of failures at home. Apart from that its worked flawlessly but I either use profile or timers, not both. That's not to say you cannot do that, its just that I have not. I think this is more a case of looking at the settings to see what's causing the car not to charge to 100%.
2) Nope. I have 8,000 miles and the range does not get better over time, it worsens. I "show" 176 miles @ 85% charge at this point and I see LESS than that is real world actual range.

I drive it like all my cars, heavy foot on brakes and the go pedal. Car is a 150-200 mile range car, that's it.
 

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Some tips to folks here:
1. Don’t report charging speed as mi/min just click on that number on the lower PCM screen or in Porsche Connect app screen to convert to kW.
2. Check your battery temp before charging and try to raise it. You can add battery temp to the info screen that can be selected on right circle dial if driver’s console.
3. Raise temp by routing to a fast charger within the Porsche navigation system if possible, by using sport plus mode if you have the sport Chrono package if possible or by driving aggressively as you near the charger. Having 70F or better is recommended.
I get 260mi ranges on freeway driving 60-80mph pretty easy with outside temps 55-70.
4000 miles in car.

When the car is new it avoids using regeneration to bed the breaks, this is why efficiency is minimal initially.
I have never driven the car at 60 on the highway unless a copper was right behind me....85-95 is average speed for me. And mine, and my two buddies have NEVER seen anything near 260 miles. We are all at about 170-200 miles max @ 85-90% charge. I have 8000 miles on mine....it's sitting in the garage more than I drive it lately- Panamera Hybrid is car of choice with temps being lower and range of Taycan sucking
 

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I have never driven the car at 60 on the highway unless a copper was right behind me....85-95 is average speed for me. And mine, and my two buddies have NEVER seen anything near 260 miles. We are all at about 170-200 miles max @ 85-90% charge. I have 8000 miles on mine....it's sitting in the garage more than I drive it lately- Panamera Hybrid is car of choice with temps being lower and range of Taycan sucking
If your average speed is 85-90 I’m surprised you still have a licence, unless you spend most of your time on an autobahn.
 


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If your average speed is 85-90 I’m surprised you still have a licence, unless you spend most of your time on an autobahn.
Nope, US tollway, 3 layers of protection:

1) Waze
2) Escort Live
3) Escort 360 MAX
 

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Agree with all suggestions made so far. Couple things not mentioned yet:

1. Rain? Snow? These have huge impact on range
2. Headwind? When I travel long distance I check the local windmap. Windy.com is pretty good
3. Tire inflation pressure? I use 42 PSI (290 kPa), gives me significantly better range than recommended pressure without a noticeable change in ride
4. New tires? Rollout resistance improves after 500-1000 miles
5. Did you use range mode? This switches to front wheel drive only and reduces consumption - similar to Tesla implementation in Model S / X

Also the difference between leg 1 and 2 on your trip (assuming an 87 kWh battery you used 64 kWh/100 mi on leg 1 but only 43 kWh/100 mi on leg 2) would suggest that you either started with a cold battery or something is substantially different on the 2 legs (speed, altitude change, weather, driving style, etc).

At the temperature you are mentioning (2-4 C) I am getting 220-250 miles of range (36-40 kWh/100mi).
 


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2) Nope. I have 8,000 miles and the range does not get better over time, it worsens. I "show" 176 miles @ 85% charge at this point and I see LESS than that is real world actual range.

I drive it like all my cars, heavy foot on brakes and the go pedal. Car is a 150-200 mile range car, that's it.
Yes - I see the error. What I meant is that from new (<50 miles on the clock) the range will improve to a point but then over time will of course degrade with the charging/discharging activity of the battery.
 

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I'm reading this with interest. I am only using my car for short journeys at present, but do plan trips to Devon (250 miles) and over to Germany when restrictions lift and it is safe to travel.
How do you ask your battery to preheat before charging? Or do you need an optional extra on the car to do that? Thanks.
I hope the road ahead gets smoother for you.
2 ways. At home on AC charging. Use the preheat / precool button in the car or app and set to your departure / end of charging time. This will warm the main battery as well a little for your departure time and will give you more range. For rapid DC charging set sat nav to the IONITY station and car will automatically warm the battery a=to the optimum temperature for when you get there to accept the faster charge. It isn't a black and White issue as so many variables like temperature and how far you have driven before charging as to get faster charging battery needs to be at optimum temperature which I believe is 25-30c and you can see the temp on the right hand side information display if you set it as well as the 12v battery health. Long trips are fine in the Taycan, will be going to Cornwall, Devon from Sussex myself and plenty of fast chargers on route, as well as France, & Spain myself later this year, where IONITY are very well represented
 

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I get about 42-43KW/100
Guess you mean per mile and that is not bad for the speeds that you have indicated . That is about 26 kWh/ 100 km!

You also state that you see 175 to 200 miles range at 85 to 90%. Also very good if you drive at these high speeds!
 

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Guess you mean per mile and that is not bad for the speeds that you have indicated . That is about 26 kWh/ 100 km!

You also state that you see 175 to 200 miles range at 85 to 90%. Also very good if you drive at these high speeds!
In warm weather. I am showing about 170 miles of "estimated" range today @ 85% charge and its 26 degree farenheit. Reality wise, If I am going to drive on the highway at 80+ mph, the range is gonna drop and I will get maybe 150 ACTUAL miles. I have seen as low as 148 miles of ACTUAL range @ 85% on this car. Take into account that the power drops off at 40-50 miles of range left, and I have a car that has "full power" for 100-110 miles in the winter. To me, that really sucks. And the Electrify America fallacy is actually insulting. There are like 4 stations in all of the metro area I am in (one of the largets cities in the USA). And Chargepoint has no 350KW chargers anywhere around here.
 

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In warm weather. I am showing about 170 miles of "estimated" range today @ 85% charge and its 26 degree farenheit. Reality wise, If I am going to drive on the highway at 80+ mph, the range is gonna drop and I will get maybe 150 ACTUAL miles. I have seen as low as 148 miles of ACTUAL range @ 85% on this car. Take into account that the power drops off at 40-50 miles of range left, and I have a car that has "full power" for 100-110 miles in the winter. To me, that really sucks. And the Electrify America fallacy is actually insulting. There are like 4 stations in all of the metro area I am in (one of the largets cities in the USA). And Chargepoint has no 350KW chargers anywhere around here.
I have looked at some videos from Germany where the reviewer drove it at fast Autobahn speeds, 200 km/h and above. He also indicated the range to get down to about 200 km.

Then again you see Björn Nyland test a 4S in Norway and he achieves an incredible 570 km range! But of course in Norway they have lower speed limits. On the other hand the nature is so beatiful there so you do not want to fast at all! Amazing roads to drive on and highly, highly recommended

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