"Porsche class action claims Taycan EVs have battery defect" - December 5, 2024

[T4S]

Yes and no, LG is selling the batteries at a profit margin; so replacing them to adhere to contract obligations would be cheaper than the "value" porsche puts on the batteries. And Porsche themselves, also have a margin on the battery, as a reseller to the service centers - probably quite big, as most will be billed to insurance companies.

So 10.000 euro per battery won't bankrupt either LG or Porsche; especially when accounting for the profit margins they both have on their products. It would end up being 3-4 bil; definitely a significant sum, but hardly enough to bankrupt either company.

Doing 3-4 recalls per car, where they have to cover the cost of replacement mobility & fuel + pay for the work, and pay for the battery modules, already puts them easly in the 10.000 braket. So they are already spending those money, just inefficiently, trying to delay the inevitable, making the big cost at once the problem of another CEO in the future.

Exactly! It is actually costing Porsche and its dealers by doing these recalls part by part. If they were to do a full battery replacement, or somehow find a way to replace all the modules in an existing battery pack with updated chemistry, that would be a way to save money (and save face).

Mixing chemistries will stress the BMS as it attempts to balance the new modules with the rest of the pack.

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[ZenicaNC]

Yes and no, LG is selling the batteries at a profit margin; so replacing them to adhere to contract obligations would be cheaper than the "value" porsche puts on the batteries. And Porsche themselves, also have a margin on the battery, as a reseller to the service centers - probably quite big, as most will be billed to insurance companies.

So 10.000 euro per battery won't bankrupt either LG or Porsche; especially when accounting for the profit margins they both have on their products. It would end up being 3-4 bil; definitely a significant sum, but hardly enough to bankrupt either company.

Doing 3-4 recalls per car, where they have to cover the cost of replacement mobility & fuel + pay for the work, and pay for the battery modules, already puts them easly in the 10.000 braket. So they are already spending those money, just inefficiently, trying to delay the inevitable, making the big cost at once the problem of another CEO in the future.

All things being equal, I would agree. However, things are not equal.

Many variables are not accounted for in your math. Can you calculate for loss of life? and how a fire in which the occupant of the vehicle perishes whereas the cause of said fire is directly attributed to the battery pack and more specifically, a defect known to Porsche as it relates to the recalls we have today. What about secondary damage that a fire might cause to surrounding structures, vehicles or the risk of injury to people in the vicinity, people that didn't willfully accept the risk of an EV battery.

To say nothing of diminished sales reducing the lofty profits you spoke of as consumers move away from the brand. The 911 can't carry that kind of balance sheet, even divided between the battery manufacturer and Porsche.

There isn't much for me to do, I am ineligible for lemon law and my "damages" are theoretical.
For all I know, the hose never fails and the battery pack never has a short/fire or other problem.

 

[SergeyIndy]

Brake lines. Dealer has no idea when the parts will arrive. A brake hose recall isn't exactly instilling confidence in driving the car.

This does not sound good. Parts are available now. My dealer was able to order them no problem as this is not a regional constraint and not a stocked at dealers part. I would press them on it or they can call my dealer. Mine were done last week with original brake lines looking good.

However, I urge everyone to get all recalls done before the madness of battery cell replacements happens.

 

[ZenicaNC]

This does not sound good. Parts are available now. My dealer was able to order them no problem as this is not a regional constraint and not ansto stocked at dealers part. I would press them on it or they can call my dealer. Mine were done last week with original brake lines looking good.

However, I urge everyone to get all recalls done before the madness of battery cell replacements happens.

My Taycan was in for some infotainment issues (unresponsive screen & XM reception issues) and they told me parts are unavailable. This was 3 weeks ago.

 

[Zakk]

Obviously there is compelling concern to issue a recall order this big and obviously it is very concerning, especially for people like me who use this car as their daily driver, but is there any information on how many vehicles have been confirmed to have this defect (not the 27K+ that MAY have it)? Have there been any actual fires reported? Needless to say, I am not looking to wait for there to be a catastrophe to take it seriously, so that is not point at all, I am glad they are being proactive, I am just wondering about the details.
Global taycan sales were about 137K (broken down by year as follows) so I am trying to understand if this issue has effected .01% or .1% or whatever :

• 2019: Approximately 130 units
• 2020: Over 20,000 units
• 2021: 41,296 units
• 2022: 34,801 units
• 2023: 40,629 units

One fire is one too many, but since Porsche does not seem to release the actual number, it is hard to tell. For example, Tesla had 198 fires as of June last year (clearly on many more vehicles sold) and Porsche only reported one that I am aware of.

 

[Caraholic]

Obviously there is compelling concern to issue a recall order this big and obviously it is very concerning, especially for people like me who use this car as their daily driver, but is there any information on how many vehicles have been confirmed to have this defect (not the 27K+ that MAY have it)? Have there been any actual fires reported? Needless to say, I am not looking to wait for there to be a catastrophe to take it seriously, so that is not point at all, I am glad they are being proactive, I am just wondering about the details.
Global taycan sales were about 137K (broken down by year as follows) so I am trying to understand if this issue has effected .01% or .1% or whatever :

• 2019: Approximately 130 units
• 2020: Over 20,000 units
• 2021: 41,296 units
• 2022: 34,801 units
• 2023: 40,629 units

One fire is one too many, but since Porsche does not seem to release the actual number, it is hard to tell. For example, Tesla had 198 fires as of June last year (clearly on many more vehicles sold) and Porsche only reported one that I am aware of.

Mine did not have a fire per se but 12 modules needed to be replaced. While it was in the shop trying to find out the persistent battery drain and yellow electrical error. The cars frame became charged. It had to be shipped off to another shop at that point.

 

[Zakk]

Wow, which recall was that under? What do you mean "frame became charged"?? That is scary AF.

 

[chun]

Obviously there is compelling concern to issue a recall order this big and obviously it is very concerning, especially for people like me who use this car as their daily driver, but is there any information on how many vehicles have been confirmed to have this defect (not the 27K+ that MAY have it)? Have there been any actual fires reported? Needless to say, I am not looking to wait for there to be a catastrophe to take it seriously, so that is not point at all, I am glad they are being proactive, I am just wondering about the details.
Global taycan sales were about 137K (broken down by year as follows) so I am trying to understand if this issue has effected .01% or .1% or whatever :

• 2019: Approximately 130 units
• 2020: Over 20,000 units
• 2021: 41,296 units
• 2022: 34,801 units
• 2023: 40,629 units

One fire is one too many, but since Porsche does not seem to release the actual number, it is hard to tell. For example, Tesla had 198 fires as of June last year (clearly on many more vehicles sold) and Porsche only reported one that I am aware of.

China had 2-3 fires this/last year, confirmed due to battery issues. Porsche CEO responded to Chinese state media that the fires were due to condense / humidity in the battery enclosure, resulting in a short circuit of the battery modules.

According to independent mechanics that service Porsche / Taycans, on the other forum, the enclosure is designed badly and humidity enters and damages the battery. According to them, eventually, all taycans will results in the red circle of death error, due to humidity.

 

[Caraholic]

Wow, which recall was that under? What do you mean "frame became charged"?? That is scary AF.

Wasn’t a recall at the time but I eventually ended up in ARB5 and I was told effective modules were replaced during my original repair. The frame was energized meant high voltage electrical current was running through it.

 

[feye]

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Where prices doubled after the settlement. People are so short sighted...

 

[feye]

I doubt neither the battery manufacturer nor Porsche will replace full battery pack assemblies. The cost would bankrupt both companies. We saw what happened to Takata. The same would happen here. That would turn our Taycan into a Fisker.

No problem for them, but painful for sure. The plan: keep the batteries running as long as possible, new batteries get cheaper by the day.

LFP is now under 60 USD per kWh for the full pack to be put into a car in China. The Taycan battery around 80 USD. Experts say: Any company around the world successfully producing batteries like CATL aim for 20 USD per kWh in the coming years. Do the math…

 

[SteveDC]

China had 2-3 fires this/last year, confirmed due to battery issues. Porsche CEO responded to Chinese state media that the fires were due to condense / humidity in the battery enclosure, resulting in a short circuit of the battery modules.

According to independent mechanics that service Porsche / Taycans, on the other forum, the enclosure is designed badly and humidity enters and damages the battery. According to them, eventually, all taycans will results in the red circle of death error, due to humidity.

Could you tell us what this “other forum” is, please? I would be interested to read it. I was unaware of a second Taycan forum.

 

[Jonathan S.]

Could you tell us what this “other forum” is, please? I would be interested to read it. I was unaware of a second Taycan forum.

https://rennlist.com/forums/taycan-241/

 

[SteveBruin]

Does anyone have lemon law buy back calculator for what they would pay us?

and how do you start this process? wait a month and go to the nearest dealer to claim this? What's the buyback process like?

can you do this for a 2020 model year Taycan?

 

[ZenicaNC]

Does anyone have lemon law buy back calculator for what they would pay us?

and how do you start this process? wait a month and go to the nearest dealer to claim this? What's the buyback process like?

can you do this for a 2020 model year Taycan?

Lemon Laws vary state to state and most have very restrictive or zero protections for used/CPO vehicles. If you bought from out of state, the state you bought from may have more advantageous laws so check there as well. In the future, I'm buying from a lemon law friendly state. Sometimes that seems more important than getting the best deal.

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