Report: New battery coming to reduce Taycan weight by 400kg and increasing charge rate and power?

[smoothound]

https://www.torquenews.com/17989/porsche-appears-poised-reduce-weight-taycan

Porsche .........'POISED' ?? ,,,,,, to deploy new battery reducing Taycan weight by 400kg and increasing charge rate and power?

'poised' indicates a degree of imminence...?

Taycan MY24? - I don't think they could use on 1st EV Macans and outshine Taycan?

Thoughts?

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[tomtom901]

It was already stated that the Macan would have more range than the current Taycans, in part due to the PPE platform shared with VW Group.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36355610/porsche-macan-electric-prototype-revealed/

 

[JimBob]

There are lots of new battery technologies out there with potentially superior performance to what is currently used. With higher energy density you can keep the battery weight the same and go further or reduce the weight and keep the same capacity as the car currently has and have superior handling. Or some combination of the two. This would suggest Porsche prefers handling to range.

In any event, depends on how close this it to happening. The closer, the more you want to think about delaying a purchase. But that could mean you never buy anything.

I know I will keep my MY2020 for quite awhile as it does what I need it to and will look when these new technologies come on the scene.

 

[daveo4EV]

nothing I read in that article says any of this is landing in the next 5 years - 7+ would be my guess - MY 2028 would be earliest given lead times for supply chain and mass production _IF_ it was proven to be viable today and no further search was required.

 

[f1eng]

https://www.torquenews.com/17989/porsche-appears-poised-reduce-weight-taycan

Porsche .........'POISED' ?? ,,,,,, to deploy new battery reducing Taycan weight by 400kg and increasing charge rate and power?

'poised' indicates a degree of imminence...?

Taycan MY24? - I don't think they could use on 1st EV Macans and outshine Taycan?

Thoughts?

Seems scarcely credible.
The current big battery weighs 650kg so a 400kg reduction for similar performance is highly unlikely given the rate of battery development over the last century.
A 40kg reduction would be more credible

 

[daveo4EV]

Seems scarcely credible.
The current big battery weighs 650kg so a 400kg reduction for similar performance is highly unlikely given the rate of battery development over the last century.
A 40kg reduction would be more credible

100 kg is all that's necessary and EV's in general would weight less than ICE street cars for equivalent products.

BMW 4 series AWD = 3900'ish lbs
Tesla Model 3 AWD = 4090'ish lbs

shed 100 kg - and the Model 3 is lighter than the BMW 4 series…

we're already pretty close.

 

[soawjo]

nothing I read in that article says any of this is landing in the next 5 years

Yep, exactly what I was thinking as i was reading it. It'll be pretty amazing to have this battery tech in the 718 EV, with the reduced weight it'll probably drive even better than the ICE version

 

[Jdqt458]

Another reason — to WAIT before ordering ?

 

[soawjo]

Seems scarcely credible.
The current big battery weighs 650kg so a 400kg reduction for similar performance is highly unlikely given the rate of battery development over the last century.
A 40kg reduction would be more credible

Good point, and I can't find anything in the article that says the weight reduction will be 400kg. It says "Group14’s technology is said to enable lithium-ion batteries to hold as much as 50% more energy" which would imply a weight reduction of about 150kg for the same range all other things being equal (which is admittedly a flimsy assumption)

 

[TaycanHero]

Another reason — to WAIT before ordering ?

No, otherwise if you continue deferring the only thing you will be waiting for in the end is Elysium.

It is in Porsche's interest to maintain second hand values. They are not going to suddenly announce some groundbreaking or evolutionary leap in tech between one generation to the next, then deliver on that in one year flat.

Instead they will announce some tech evolution that won't be available for 3-5 years.

That way the second hand market/prices remain buoyant because who wants to wait that long for a Taycan when they can drive it off the forecourt today?

It is psychological as much as business sense. Imagine if you just forked out $150k+ on a new Porsche, then it's suddenly so out of date within 1 year of purchase that it loses half its value.

That's a great way of losing not just that customer, but many others who will then worry about the same thing happening to them.

So if you want a Taycan, get onto an allocation and keep your fingers crossed it gets delivered in a reasonable time. Forget about anything else.

Life is to be enjoyed today, not tomorrow.

 

[smoothound]

There were several articles on this in last 24-36 hours - which I read before posting - one mentioned 400kg reduction on taycan - but I can't find it now...

Edit: - I think I must have imagined it... can't track it down

 

[JimBob]

No, otherwise if you continue deferring the only thing you will be waiting for in the end is Elysium.

It is in Porsche's interest to maintain second hand values. They are not going to suddenly announce some groundbreaking or evolutionary leap in tech between one generation to the next, then deliver on that in one year flat.

Instead they will announce some tech evolution that won't be available for 3-5 years.

That way the second hand market/prices remain buoyant because who wants to wait that long for a Taycan when they can drive it off the forecourt today?

It is psychological as much as business sense. Imagine if you just forked out $150k+ on a new Porsche, then it's suddenly so out of date within 1 year of purchase that it loses half its value.

That's a great way of losing not just that customer, but many others who will then worry about the same thing happening to them.

So if you want a Taycan, get onto an allocation and keep your fingers crossed it gets delivered in a reasonable time. Forget about anything else.

Life is to be enjoyed today, not tomorrow.

Actually there will come a day when new battery tech will be on the market. And it may not be Porsche, but some other manufacturer. I would not like to have bought my car the preceding year. But then I like to sell my overpriced stocks before they decline, but don't generally get that right either.

 

[f1eng]

The Taycan battery looks nicely modular to me.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the future of car servicing is substantially about servicing the battery, maybe just replacing cells which have dropped a bit, maybe rebuilding with new technology cells but something like that.

Let’s face it an electric motor has one moving part, not multiple pistons, valves, springs, camshafts and cranks all running at temperatures which degrade the lubricant. An IC engine has a lot of continuously deteriorating parts so with EVs the emphasis seems to me to be maintaining the battery which is the equivalent of all those steadily degrading parts in an IC engined car.

If I were a young man I would see this as a business opportunity.

 

[npx]

guys this will not exist until late 2020s, do not hold off on a taycan order waiting for this because you'll be waiting until gen2 (2025-6) or gen2 refresh(2027-8) minimum

 

[TaycanHero]

The Taycan battery looks nicely modular to me.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the future of car servicing is substantially about servicing the battery, maybe just replacing cells which have dropped a bit, maybe rebuilding with new technology cells but something like that.

Let’s face it an electric motor has one moving part, not multiple pistons, valves, springs, camshafts and cranks all running at temperatures which degrade the lubricant. An IC engine has a lot of continuously deteriorating parts so with EVs the emphasis seems to me to be maintaining the battery which is the equivalent of all those steadily degrading parts in an IC engined car.

If I were a young man I would see this as a business opportunity.

I've for long thought about a modular battery pack that you just swap out at what were petrol stations.

My issue with running a business is I've got too used to high margin and minimal capital expenditure. So something like this would increase my stress levels quite significantly!

Potentially, future battery tech could be retrofitted. Ultimately it's just a cell with more advanced tech and materials inside of it.

Perhaps Porsche and others will provide a "battery upgrade" programme (for a high price of course) that brings older model range to that of the latest longer range models.

So mitigating any huge depreciation.

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