Setup question for the standard 2022 Taycan charger (US location)

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For U.S.-Is there are a spec sheet I can provide my electrician for installing what he needs to for the standard charger that the 2022 Taycan comes with? Is it better to have a 60 amp v. 50 amp circuit? What has everyone's experience been with the standard charger-has it been reliable? What is the average time for the standard charger to provide an 80-100% charge from a 0-10% starting point?

Are there better after market options for home charging that work well with the Taycan. If so, would additional electrical work be needed or could these simply be plugged into the setup that's being installed for the Taycan standard charger?

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I just posted this response to a European charging question, but this should help you as well. I don’t use the EVSE which came with my Taycan, but I believe in North America the Porsche EVSE is limited to 20 amps (please check since I don’t know for sure).

You will need to get an electrician to install a higher wattage circuit dedicated to EV charging.

The limitations will be:
- how many amps are available in your house for EV charging. A house I owned a few years ago had 240v at 60amps total capacity and I was able to get 32 amps at night. Your electrician can do a load calculation on your house. A good goal is 60 amps dedicated to EV charging.
- what selections you have in the EVSE: you can find these listed in the EVSE manual. EVSEs usually have selectable charging rates such as 10 amps, 20 amps, 30amp, but you need this information when planning the new circuit.

But when planning a new EV charging circuit, you should plan for the future when you may want faster charging. The key element when doing this is the wire size. Bigger wires means you can potentially charge faster by swapping out the EVSE and circuit breaker. Changing to a new EVSE is easy, but upgrading the wire size in the future can be very messy and expensive (cutting holes in walls, plastering and repainting) so I always recommend to friends they upgrade their wire size during the initial EVSE install even though their current EVSE might not support a higher amperage.
 
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For U.S.-Is there are a spec sheet I can provide my electrician for installing what he needs to for the standard charger that the 2022 Taycan comes with? Is it better to have a 60 amp v. 50 amp circuit? What has everyone's experience been with the standard charger-has it been reliable? What is the average time for the standard charger to provide an 80-100% charge from a 0-10% starting point?

Are there better after market options for home charging that work well with the Taycan. If so, would additional electrical work be needed or could these simply be plugged into the setup that's being installed for the Taycan standard charger?

Thanks!
there are extensive threads on this. The north american Porsche EVSE (PMC+/PMCC) is not a good choice.

currently Porsche has released service bulletins and OTA updates for the PMCC that recommend no using it above 20 amps (4.8 kW) - they say this is a temporary "solution" but have not provided any timeline for resolution.

also people have had difficulty getting it to work reliably with non-Porsche EV's.

the Porsche Mobile EVSE (PMC+/PMCC) are limited to 50 amps via NEMA 14-50 or 6-50 plugs - 60 amps is _NOT_ an option for _ANY_ mobile EVSE in North America (no common NEMA plug type or support from any mobile EVSE vendor). If you want a 60 amp EVSE in your garage in North American it will be hardwired.

there are a number of excellent EVSE alternatives to the Porsche PMC+/PMCC - and way cheaper than the $1120 optional PMCC (but not cheaper than the standard included PMC+ since it's "free").

depending on your goals purchasing and installing a non-Porsche EVSE may be a path forward for your situation. But again the PMC+/PMCC may work just fine for you.
 

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https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/ditch-the-pmcc-for-now.1996/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/nema-14-50-supply-cable-heat-data.1940/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...fing-neutering-the-pmcc-via-ota-update.12791/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...pany…-tesla-j-1772-wall-charger-review.13163/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/tesla-gen-3-wall-charger-works-better-than-the-pwcc.12087/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...s-amusing-but-ultimately-disappointing.13874/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/porsche-wall-charger-connect-unbox-install.7541/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/mobile-charger-connect.13807/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/porsche-wall-charger-connect.10805/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...y-taycan-i-can-go-to-100a-but-should-i.13271/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/write-to-porsche-na-ceo-re-mobile-charger-connect.13095/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...es-warranty-updated-response-from-pcna.13411/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/replaced-pmc-with-tesla-gen-3-j1772-wall-connector.13296/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...a-gen-3-wall-connector-with-j1772-plug.12805/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...usage-of-the-pmcc-rate-reduced-by-half.12384/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...one-came-with-the-car-charge-other-evs.13121/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...one-came-with-the-car-charge-other-evs.13121/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...-connector-home-charger-for-non-teslas.13109/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/charging-issues-with-the-porsche-charger.13071/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/chargepoint-homeflex-charger-with-2022-taycan.13060/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/nema-14-50-plug-is-dangerously-hot.11841/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/charging-issues.13004/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/easy-charger-for-vacation-home.13032/
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/issue-with-pmcc-after-latest-software-update.12880/
 
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potential problems and frustration with the Porsche EVSE products can be avoided for $700 or less - I certainly can not recommend paying $1120 for the optional PMCC - the standard/included PMC+ may skate by as mostly functional - but it main advantage is the fact that it's included…it is not problem free but works well enough for most people that they do not know the difference.

many have chosen to "ignore" the Porsche EVSE's and purchased alternative trouble free products from other vendors.

in either case you are limited to 50 amp install for _ANY_ mobile EVSE from ANY vendor.

If you want 60 amps (or more) you'll have to install a hardwired EVSE from any number of excellent alternatives.
 


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For U.S.-Is there are a spec sheet I can provide my electrician for installing what he needs to for the standard charger that the 2022 Taycan comes with? Is it better to have a 60 amp v. 50 amp circuit? What has everyone's experience been with the standard charger-has it been reliable? What is the average time for the standard charger to provide an 80-100% charge from a 0-10% starting point?

Are there better after market options for home charging that work well with the Taycan. If so, would additional electrical work be needed or could these simply be plugged into the setup that's being installed for the Taycan standard charger?

Thanks!
I had the same question and I found it surprising how little Porsche or the Dealership provides in instructions. I have the base PMC+ and it has worked flawlessly at the full 40amps. I had my installer put in a 240v 50amp plug 15-50 socket. I get 24 miles of charge per hour (about 8.2kw/hour). Thus 5%-85% will charge in 8 hours. The plug cord to the charger box is not all that long, so it is helpful to plan how you want the socket installed accordingly as you may want to raise/lower or rotate it for maximum location.
 

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For U.S.-Is there are a spec sheet I can provide my electrician for installing what he needs to for the standard charger that the 2022 Taycan comes with? Is it better to have a 60 amp v. 50 amp circuit? What has everyone's experience been with the standard charger-has it been reliable? What is the average time for the standard charger to provide an 80-100% charge from a 0-10% starting point?

Are there better after market options for home charging that work well with the Taycan. If so, would additional electrical work be needed or could these simply be plugged into the setup that's being installed for the Taycan standard charger?

Thanks!
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...porsche-evse-pmc-pmcc-pwcc.13886/#post-208756
 

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For U.S.-Is there are a spec sheet I can provide my electrician for installing what he needs to for the standard charger that the 2022 Taycan comes with? Is it better to have a 60 amp v. 50 amp circuit? What has everyone's experience been with the standard charger-has it been reliable? What is the average time for the standard charger to provide an 80-100% charge from a 0-10% starting point?

Are there better after market options for home charging that work well with the Taycan. If so, would additional electrical work be needed or could these simply be plugged into the setup that's being installed for the Taycan standard charger?

Thanks!
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...age…for-those-that-wish-to-over-do-it-….2343/
 


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For U.S.-Is there are a spec sheet I can provide my electrician for installing what he needs to for the standard charger that the 2022 Taycan comes with? Is it better to have a 60 amp v. 50 amp circuit? What has everyone's experience been with the standard charger-has it been reliable? What is the average time for the standard charger to provide an 80-100% charge from a 0-10% starting point?

Are there better after market options for home charging that work well with the Taycan. If so, would additional electrical work be needed or could these simply be plugged into the setup that's being installed for the Taycan standard charger?

Thanks!
Question #1: is there a specifciation sheet I can provide my Electrician
Answer: yes there is once you have made a choice about which EVSE (EV charger) you plan to install - but mostly you're going to get a NEMA 14-50 plug installed and then you can purchase _ANY_ NEMA 14-50 based EVSE (or just use the included PMC+ w/your Taycan).

Question #2 (implied): What is the specification of the included EVSE w/2022 Taycan
Answer: the standard included PMC+ for North American comes with a NEMA 14-50 power supply cable. Tell your electrician you desire a NEMA 14-50 plug socket installed in your garage and the included PMC+ will work just fine (*)

Question #3: what is everyone's experience been with the standard charger?
Answer: some have no issues, others have had major issues - mixed bag would be a fair assessment in my opinion - trending towards an evolving understanding that the North American PMC+/PMCC are flawed products that are not Porsche's finest hour. If you don't have problems they are great -if you do have Problems porsche's response will disappoint you and you'll probably just have to end up purchasing an alternative.

Question #4(implied): is the included PMC+ reliable?
Answer: mostly yes maybe not so much, it's less reliable than competitive alternatives, but it works great for some. But if there are issues Porsche's responses to date have be unsatisfactory. there is an official service bulletin program right now to set the default charge rate of the PMC+ to 50% (20 amps/4.8 kW) - you can override this setting, but Porsche knows of potential thermal issues and has been unclear on any long term resolutions. Some people use their PMC+ at full 40 amps(9.6 kW) others have had issues - YMMV

Quesiton: #5: how long will it take to charge my EV?
Answer: https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...-it-take-to-charge-my-taycan-from-blah.12279/

Question #6 (implied): should I charge my EV to 100% all the time
Answer: conventional LiON battery wisdom recommends against this, as does Porsche's manual - daily usage is typically recommended to charge to 85% -and only charge to 100% prior to road trips - YMMV

Question #7: are there alternative EVSE (EV chargers) that will work with my Taycan?
Answer: yes - lots of choices from $200 to $2000 - "better" is more elusive and can only be assessed vs. personal goals - all EVSE charge at the same rate for the same AMP setting - so one is not faster than the other - that's not how it works - there are many many fully functional alternatives - most/all will be compatible with a NEMA 14-50 plug and therefore are "plug&play". Many people see no reason to spend money on an alternate EVSE when the included one "works fine" for some definition of "works fine" - others will disagree based on their personal experience with the included PMC+/PMCC. Swapping an EVSE is simple/straight forward if it's plug based - at little more involved if you have a hardwired 60 amp or greater EVSE but still possible and a few hours work by a qualified electrician if you have an existing circuit. You can get a NEMA 14-50 plug installed - use the included charger and if all goes well you're done. If you find the PMC+ isn't meeting your needs then it's quite simple to purchase an alternative and plug it into the same NEMA 14-50 plugs - options start as low as $200 for alternative NEMA 14-50 EVSE's. You can make this decision later if you have a NEMA 14-50 plug installed.

Question #8 (implied): Can get a 60 amp charger with a plug?
Answers: No - all North American EVSE that are plug based (mobile) are limited to 50 amps. If you want a 60 amp or greater EVSE it is required to be hardwired by north American building codes. There are numerous hardwired options for 60-100 amp EV chargers (EVSE's) for the North American market.

Question #9 (implied): Is 60 amp better than 50 amps?
Answer: faster is normally considered better, it also costs more, the actual difference may be neglegable in terms of daily use (60 miles driving or less) the difference in charge time between a 50 amp breaker EVSE and a 60 amp breaker EVSE will be less than 30 minutes total charge time. A 60 amp charger will mean you will NOT be using the included EVSE - you will need to Purchase the Porsche Wall Charger, other other 60 amp alternative EVSE and have it hardwired by your electrician. It's a personal choice as to if this is worth the additional cost/hassle. 60 amp EVSE install will be 20% faster than 50 amp EVSE install for any given charging session. As to if that matters while you're asleep - the answer is probably not - because the car will be ready at 7 am charged to 85% regardless of when it starts to charge overnight.
 
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if you get a NEMA 14-50 plug installed - please follow Porsche's official recommendation for the 14-50 outlet. The Hubble industrial/commerical quality plug (8x more expensive than typical 14-50 residential outlets) is highly recommended and not the default choice for most electrician's given it's cost. But all major EV vendors recommend/require the hubble plug for it's quality/robustness and you'd be wise to listen to them…see Porsche's official slide on the topic below.

https://www.amazon.com/Hubbell-Wiri...ble+14-50R&qid=1626593638&s=industrial&sr=1-1

Porsche Taycan Setup question for the standard 2022 Taycan charger (US location) E33944BA-ABD0-4085-8CE3-91F94EEB9E58
 

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Couple of other tips for your electrician. The recommended Hubbell 14-50 receptacle needs:
- a faceplate for its box that has a larger diameter hole in it than non-Hubbell 14-50 receptacles
- an electrical mounting box that is deeper than the standard box used for 14-50 receptacles

And Porsche TSB suggests using "ferrules" on the wiring:
Porsche Taycan Setup question for the standard 2022 Taycan charger (US location) 1670614303592
 

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A 50-amp branch circuit should use minimum 6 AWG, 90°C-rated copper wire for conductors supplying level 2 Porsche charging hardware plugged with a NEMA 14-50 or 6-50 supply cable.
ROFL - porsche wants 6 gauge wire for 50 amps to feed their woefully under spec 10 gauge supply cable

that right there is all you need to see to know they screwed up the the PMC+/ PMCC supply cable!

now if they will only follow their own advice and give us all a new 6-gauge wire power supply cable we'lll be good.

6 gauge wire is a great choice for 50 amp circuit - they should do the same for the EVSE supply cable
 
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For U.S.-Is there are a spec sheet I can provide my electrician for installing what he needs to for the standard charger that the 2022 Taycan comes with? Is it better to have a 60 amp v. 50 amp circuit? What has everyone's experience been with the standard charger-has it been reliable? What is the average time for the standard charger to provide an 80-100% charge from a 0-10% starting point?

Are there better after market options for home charging that work well with the Taycan. If so, would additional electrical work be needed or could these simply be plugged into the setup that's being installed for the Taycan standard charger?

Thanks!
I went with wallbox hard wired 48A on 50 breaker. So far working flawless.
 

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I went with wallbox hard wired 48A on 50 breaker. So far working flawless.
48 amps should be on a 60 amp breaker and 60 amp wire not 50. amp breaker
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