Study: Less than 1% of EV owners would go back to full gas-powered vehicles... would you?

[JayGT4]

After buying an EV, less than 1% of drivers go back to gas-powered cars

https://electrek.co/2024/12/10/afte...you go electric, you,return to an ICE vehicle

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[Scandinavian]

There are a lot of good experiences owning and driving an EV. I have now been using an EV since 2019 so close to 6 years. The absolute best part of the experience is the facility to charge at home overnight and the easy way of using the cooling of the car in summer time and heating it in winter time. BUT…..

My use case is mainly for long road trips around Europe. Up to 3500 km over a two week period going and the same again returning home. No problems at all with the charging networks here in Europe, as long as you travel along the main motorways etc. We are blessed with charging stations and some competition on pricing as well. Seldom problem with chargers being down or broken. But some queueing at peak holiday times at Ionity now.

But it does not meet my expectations and requirement, My Taycan charges fast at Ionity, but the range at French or German motorway speeds is not sufficient. Needing to charge every 90 to 120 minutes does not cut it. Even if I am needing more biological stops now than in my youth, I can do longer stints. Too many charging stops even if the car is charging rapidly!

Secondly the problems with Porsche, heater, charger, battery, brake recalls and all niggles etc. The car spends far too much time in the workshop for me, plus I have an hours drive to the nearest dealer. And the dealer almost never has a loaner. And if they have one it will be a clapped out Audi A1, 6 yers old or so. So mostly Uber rides back home and return.

Now actively looking for a plug in hybrid. It will avoid the French Malus tax, will keep the preconditioning of the cabin and benefits like this. Yes it will be more expensive to drive in fuel costs, but I have compared the fuel costs for my trips using an BMW F10 M5 and my Taycan in real life. It will cost me no more than 2x to do these trips in energy costs. And that is NOT including the 25 Euros per month for Porsche Charging Service or the 310 Euro per year for Porsche Connect etc.

It is probably 5 to 10 years too early to switch to EV for long distance use! We need a new battery technology for that. So the search is on for a PHEV!

 

[RBGtaycan]

After buying an EV, less than 1% of drivers go back to gas-powered cars

https://electrek.co/2024/12/10/afte...you go electric, you,return to an ICE vehicle

I definitely have had my frustrations but ultimately voted with my wallet and bought a KIA EV6 as a second car ...love electric cars..not crazy about some of the early adopter issues but ultimately went for another one! BTW, it cost me $9 for electricity last month (special off peak rate) for TWO electric cars..hard to beat that!

 

[WuffvonTrips]

I expect to keep my Taycan for at least 5 years from getting it new, eventually to be replaced with an EV. I'm not aware of a desirable better alternative. My gateway to full EV was a Cayenne Hybrid and there's no going back.

On the other hand, having discovered the fun of trackdays with it (or rather, with other Turbo CTs), I dream of also getting a more efficient track-day tool (perhaps a used and fettled GT4 as the minimum level of practicality for road use).

 

[snstevens]

There are a lot of good experiences owning and driving an EV. I have now been using an EV since 2019 so close to 6 years. The absolute best part of the experience is the facility to charge at home overnight and the easy way of using the cooling of the car in summer time and heating it in winter time. BUT…..

My use case is mainly for long road trips around Europe. Up to 3500 km over a two week period going and the same again returning home. No problems at all with the charging networks here in Europe, as long as you travel along the main motorways etc. We are blessed with charging stations and some competition on pricing as well. Seldom problem with chargers being down or broken. But some queueing at peak holiday times at Ionity now.

But it does not meet my expectations and requirement, My Taycan charges fast at Ionity, but the range at French or German motorway speeds is not sufficient. Needing to charge every 90 to 120 minutes does not cut it. Even if I am needing more biological stops now than in my youth, I can do longer stints. Too many charging stops even if the car is charging rapidly!

Secondly the problems with Porsche, heater, charger, battery, brake recalls and all niggles etc. The car spends far too much time in the workshop for me, plus I have an hours drive to the nearest dealer. And the dealer almost never has a loaner. And if they have one it will be a clapped out Audi A1, 6 yers old or so. So mostly Uber rides back home and return.

Now actively looking for a plug in hybrid. It will avoid the French Malus tax, will keep the preconditioning of the cabin and benefits like this. Yes it will be more expensive to drive in fuel costs, but I have compared the fuel costs for my trips using an BMW F10 M5 and my Taycan in real life. It will cost me no more than 2x to do these trips in energy costs. And that is NOT including the 25 Euros per month for Porsche Charging Service or the 310 Euro per year for Porsche Connect etc.

It is probably 5 to 10 years too early to switch to EV for long distance use! We need a new battery technology for that. So the search is on for a PHEV!

In case longer range in an EV is an option, here is a recent list of EVs with ranges longer than J1.1 Taycan --

I've also read that some manufacturers are designing EVs with a small gasoline engine onboard to allow battery charging while driving to extend range. Couldn't find an example but probably worth keeping up with that.

 

[buruburu]

I parted ways with my Taycan 4s a few months ago and replaced it with a Cayenne E-Hybrid & a 718 w/ a 4.0l motor.

 

[DerekS]

I wish I had more EV choice because I can't go back to ICE. It's just too sluggish feeling, and all the ludicrous upkeep is nuts. Oil, plugs, belts, all of it.

 

[Scandinavian]

In case longer range in an EV is an option, here is a recent list of EVs with ranges longer than J1.1 Taycan --

I've also read that some manufacturers are designing EVs with a small gasoline engine onboard to allow battery charging while driving to extend range. Couldn't find an example but probably worth keeping up with that.

Yes I know that there re quite a few cars listed with decent range listed as per EPA rating or WLTP. Most of them fall by the wayside when tested in real life. And many of these are not at all what I would like to drive. Lucid have no presence here in France and not sure they even are for sale here. Mercedes EQS is like a big boat and not nice to drive. It Is moving in the right direction but not for me.

 

[Scandinavian]

I wish I had more EV choice because I can't go back to ICE. It's just too sluggish feeling, and all the ludicrous upkeep is nuts. Oil, plugs, belts, all of it.

There is a lot of up keep and service, I will agree on that. But a full service on my sold M5 was 700 Euros for a complete 20,000 km service, oil, filters all over, brake fluid change etc. Compared to 650 Euros for a Porsche Taycan 650 Euros for 30,000 km service?? Sunroof drain channel cleaning was the most expensive part so I avoided that!

Sluggish?
I am not after PHEV like Toyota Prius, even if that is a brilliant car for local driving. I had a very short test drive in the new BMW M5 hybrid! That for sure was not sluggish. I am booking a longer test drive in one soon. Available both as a saloon and a Touring as well.

With a Hybrid I would avoid all the silly subscriptions to charging networks, RFID cards, Dongles and have one payment method and every petrol station available and working. Seldom queues as well.

Oh and did I mention depreciation??

When I sold my F10 M5 which was 9 years old, I got 50% of what I paid for it in amount (not same value I know)

My Turbo I have been offered 41% after 4 years!

 

[TXSchnee]

I would go PHEV, as I have been happy with the 2 Cayenne E Hybrids and 2 XMs I have had. Waiting for a bit to determine what EV would be a good replacement for the Taycan.

 

[GreenHornet]

If I could afford a 911 I would "go back" to that a 100% of the time

 

[Vicelow]

There are a lot of good experiences owning and driving an EV. I have now been using an EV since 2019 so close to 6 years. The absolute best part of the experience is the facility to charge at home overnight and the easy way of using the cooling of the car in summer time and heating it in winter time. BUT…..

My use case is mainly for long road trips around Europe. Up to 3500 km over a two week period going and the same again returning home. No problems at all with the charging networks here in Europe, as long as you travel along the main motorways etc. We are blessed with charging stations and some competition on pricing as well. Seldom problem with chargers being down or broken. But some queueing at peak holiday times at Ionity now.

But it does not meet my expectations and requirement, My Taycan charges fast at Ionity, but the range at French or German motorway speeds is not sufficient. Needing to charge every 90 to 120 minutes does not cut it. Even if I am needing more biological stops now than in my youth, I can do longer stints. Too many charging stops even if the car is charging rapidly!

Secondly the problems with Porsche, heater, charger, battery, brake recalls and all niggles etc. The car spends far too much time in the workshop for me, plus I have an hours drive to the nearest dealer. And the dealer almost never has a loaner. And if they have one it will be a clapped out Audi A1, 6 yers old or so. So mostly Uber rides back home and return.

Now actively looking for a plug in hybrid. It will avoid the French Malus tax, will keep the preconditioning of the cabin and benefits like this. Yes it will be more expensive to drive in fuel costs, but I have compared the fuel costs for my trips using an BMW F10 M5 and my Taycan in real life. It will cost me no more than 2x to do these trips in energy costs. And that is NOT including the 25 Euros per month for Porsche Charging Service or the 310 Euro per year for Porsche Connect etc.

It is probably 5 to 10 years too early to switch to EV for long distance use! We need a new battery technology for that. So the search is on for a PHEV!

That’s very understandable but at the same time your driving profile is probably very unusual. I would guess >90% of persons drive max 100km per day and a couple of times per year more than 300km per day. I personally drive 50km daily (25km to work one way). Sometimes driving to clients - maybe 200km back and forth. That means I’ll spend <5 times per year at Ionity. BEV works just perfect for my profile…

 

[hvywght]

We really love our Taycan. We use it for mostly around town and 50 mile radius trips. It's easy to charge and after some PCM updates, works well. Plus it drives like any other Porsche. Now, we have other ICE cars in the garage, so even though we have used the Taycan for road trips (up to 600 miles round trip), we still have gas cars including an X7 since we have 5 kids to move around. I also love manual cars, so have a couple of those for fun. Would we get another EV, yes in a heartbeat.

 

[Jhenson29]

In case longer range in an EV is an option, here is a recent list of EVs with ranges longer than J1.1 Taycan --

Range isn’t the issue. Infrastructure and recharge times are.

To answer OP, I would and did. I bought. 911 2 years after the Taycan and it’s almost caught up to the Taycan in mileage.

My wife tells me she wouldn’t go back to ICE, but, when we were discussing what we’re going to do for road trips in a year or two when the kid doesn’t fit in the back of the 911 (our current road trip car), she said we could take the Tayan….if it wasn’t electric. Still have to figure that one out. May trade in the Macan for a Panamera. We would take the Macan, but it’s a 2016, low-ish option car. I bought it as a work vehicle. Not the best for long trips. Not something I look forward to driving, knowing what else is in the garage.

Agree with @DerekS that there’s no comparison for maintenance though. The number of times I’ve had the 911 on jack stands plus dealer and Indy visits vs the Taycan…I tell ya. Slightly different use putting miles on at over double the rate, plus tracking it, but still…

 

[Dabz]

My experience with the Taycan is great, my experience with the Mini Cooper SE (2024) is awful so if that had been my first EV I would definitely have gone back to ICE. Currently that car has been back at the dealer for almost 2 weeks with no clue when it's coming back, so my wife is back in an ICE Mini

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