Study says Taycan loses 20% of range in winter

[Windpower]

The heat pump should be more efficient in the winter. The alternative is resistance heating, which is very inefficient.

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[f1eng]

This is also without the heat pump; something that is standard in the US.

It is standard in the UK too, so probably not

 

[HypeR]

I am of the same opinion. My taycan goes less in winter.

 

[daveo4EV]

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money...es-cut-battery-range-electric-cars-FIFTH.html

also another study found out the Sky is blue…

 

[gnop1950]

Interesting article and really, IMHO, good news for Porsche since it did better (with the heat pump) than all of the other EVs tested (see the last table in the article). Cold definitely affects the range of all EVs. The Porsche was within 3 miles of its EPA rating on the winter test although it fell short of its WLTP rating.

I wasn't familiar with the WLTP rating, but really, the only relevant result to my mind is that the 4S did better, with less loss of range than the other EVs tested.

 

[kort]

also another study found out the Sky is blue…

are people aware that water is wet?

 

[Vfr750Rouge]

What is Winter?
Is it define in the "study"?

 

[Jhenson29]

are people aware that water is wet?

Water isn’t wet. Water makes things wet.

 

[Archimedes]

I do not think that term means what you think it means. Click bait is a misleading title that entices you to click on it only to not deliver what was promised. That article had the following figures (and figures for other EVs which I found interesting). So how was that click bait?

Here’s how it’s click bait. It uses a sensational headline, then when you look at the data you see two things. First, the sensational percentage is based off a starting point that’s a best case number, not a typical real world range. And it uses the worst figure in its data for the headline. Second, it then says ‘oh and this can easily be avoided with a heat pump’, which many cars have. Reality is, range loss isn’t 20 percent except in extreme conditions. But that won’t get ya clicks.

Click bait.

 

[offplan]

I haven't got my Taycan yet but this is no surprise, my plug-in hybrid loses about 10 to 20% of its range in winter.
In my case part of it is winter tyres which have a higher rolling resistance than the standard tyre, but the biggest difference is in the first 5 miles or so when the heater is on. Once the cabin is up to temperature the consumption is a lot less.
It is no surprise batteries work badly when cold, they always have. My digital camera has a much bigger loss in winter than these car reports.

Lets not forget that IC engined cars also use more fuel in winter, just not such a big hit.

@f1eng when are you getting your car and what specs?

 

[Tay Tay]

First, the sensational percentage is based off a starting point that’s a best case number, not a typical real world range.

No, it was based on their real-world test last summer.

And it uses the worst figure in its data for the headline.

No, the worst result was 40%, not 20%.

it then says ‘oh and this can easily be avoided with a heat pump’, which many cars have.

They literally listed five cars that didn't have a heat pump and five that did so that people could make an informed choice.

Reality is, range loss isn’t 20 percent except in extreme conditions.

This is funny given all the other people complaining that this is a "sky is blue" post since it's "obvious" that range loss is 20%.

 

[Tay Tay]

So it recommends a heat pump, but then winter losses are higher? Am I reading it wrong?

You are reading it wrong, the cars with heat pumps generally did better.

Model	Variant	Usable battery size	Heat pump	Official (WLTP) range	Winter test range	Shortfall
Fiat 500	42kWh Icon	37.3kWh	No	198 miles	118 miles	40.0%
Ford Mustang Mach-E	Extended Range RWD	88.0kWh	No	379 miles	247 miles	34.6%
MG 5	Long Range Exclusive	57.0kWh	No	250 miles	167 miles	33.1%
Audi Q4 e-tron	50 quattro S line	76.6kWh	No	290 miles	201 miles	30.6%
Kia EV6	GT-Line RWD	72.5kWh	Yes	328 miles	228 miles	30.4%
Skoda Enyaq iV	60	58.0kWh	No	249 miles	174 miles	29.8%
Tesla Model Y	Long Range	75.0kWh	Yes	331 miles	247 miles	25.2%
Tesla Model 3	Long Range	75.0kWh	Yes	374 miles	281 miles	24.8%
BMW iX3	M Sport	74.0kWh	Yes	282 miles	212 miles	24.7%
Porsche Taycan	4S Performance battery Plus	83.7kWh	Yes	287 miles	224 miles	21.8%

 

[Archimedes]

No, it was based on their real-world test last summer.


No, the worst result was 40%, not 20%.


They literally listed five cars that didn't have a heat pump and five that did so that people could make an informed choice.


This is funny given all the other people complaining that this is a "sky is blue" post since it's "obvious" that range loss is 20%.

Wtf are you talking about? You obviously can’t read. The deficit that’s relevant is in the first table, not the second. It’s the comparison of actual range, summer vs winter. That’s even what they quoted in the headline. The numbers you are quoting are relative to the WLTP rating, which is meaningless. Tard.

Nobody is saying it’s not real, just that they cherry picked the worst example to get tards like you to click on it.

 

[raharris]

You are reading it wrong, the cars with heat pumps generally did better.

Model	Variant	Usable battery size	Heat pump	Official (WLTP) range	Winter test range	Shortfall
Fiat 500	42kWh Icon	37.3kWh	No	198 miles	118 miles	40.0%
Ford Mustang Mach-E	Extended Range RWD	88.0kWh	No	379 miles	247 miles	34.6%
MG 5	Long Range Exclusive	57.0kWh	No	250 miles	167 miles	33.1%
Audi Q4 e-tron	50 quattro S line	76.6kWh	No	290 miles	201 miles	30.6%
Kia EV6	GT-Line RWD	72.5kWh	Yes	328 miles	228 miles	30.4%
Skoda Enyaq iV	60	58.0kWh	No	249 miles	174 miles	29.8%
Tesla Model Y	Long Range	75.0kWh	Yes	331 miles	247 miles	25.2%
Tesla Model 3	Long Range	75.0kWh	Yes	374 miles	281 miles	24.8%
BMW iX3	M Sport	74.0kWh	Yes	282 miles	212 miles	24.7%
Porsche Taycan	4S Performance battery Plus	83.7kWh	Yes	287 miles	224 miles	21.8%

The Taycan in the second table has a heat pump, but the drop is worse than the first table…..

 

[Archimedes]

The Taycan in the second table has a heat pump, but the drop is worse than the first table…..

Second table is meaningless, as it’s a comparison of winter performance against the WLTP rating, not against the actual summer performance. So the delta is inclusive of the gap between real world range and the WLTP rating.

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