The "religion" of car ownership

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First I will confess I am not a believer in organized religion. Please no flames, thank god we are
all different (Puns intended). I intend this as humor.

In my life I have always found it funny that "real car people" often become religious about their
particular cars and brands. I love cars, but have never been "brand fanatic", when I
want a car, I search for what I consider "the best" for my use cases, current
desires, $ and what is available.

What bugs me is when I make a statement like, "I wish the Heisenberg compensator on my
new LightSpeed 1000 was more intuitive". In steps a "real car guy" (sorry ladies, just using
this for affect, the church of Porsche is just getting around to admitting women) and
says, "You are just a whiner and must not be a real car guy because
you don't BELIEVE they make the best one on the market...". Like religions they stop
comparing facts, instead they rely on beliefs, most of which are NOT based on
facts... Marketing apostles love this...

Love my 4S, but it isn't perfect... BTW how many of you "real car guys" out there know that
Porsche does NOT manufacture the motors for our cars? Honestly I am 100% fine with that.
They probably write the spec, do some tests, take input from electric motor specialists
from inside VW and external companies and thus the motors are semi-custom. They
like all car "manufacturers" are really system integrators. Porsche probably actually
manufactures 10% (by cost) of the Taycan. They assemble parts, software etc from
hundreds of sub-contractors.

I took my Taycan to "Church" last Sunday (A Porsche ONLY car show). So many people
hovered and asked questions. I could see in about 70% of the "car guys" they actually
lusted after the Taycan performance, looks etc. But were held back because they
believed in the old testament, book of ICE, so stayed true to their old religious beliefs...
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In my life I have always found it funny that "real car people" often become religious about their
particular cars and brands.
I think that is true for some "real car people" and unfair to paint all with that brush. The thing is, those people are the ones who will comment on your Heisenberg compensator - everyone else will just not comment.

Some people will associate heavily with a brand or an idea - whether that is Porsche, Tesla, Herbalife, CrossFit, Prius, Cat Ownership, vegetarianism, a religion, a political belief and so on and so on. What is "different" now is that we have a social media capability that will find that vegan, cat owning, cross fit training, Porsche owner to vehemently disagree with some position someone takes.

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This post is begging for all kinds of remarks so don't hold your breath about flaming...

Anyway, I'll just say this: By 2050 or 2060, when most vehicles on the road supposed to be electric, there will be a reckoning in the form of tax penalties for those set in the ways of ICE. Penalties imposed on those ICE drivers that don't want to switch their vehicle. Many will rebel... flee deep in the woods... never to be found so that they can escape the penalties and enjoy some semblance of the ICE old days.

On the other religious aspect... I'm biting my tongue.
 

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Porsche probably actually
manufactures 10% (by cost) of the Taycan. They assemble parts, software etc from
hundreds of sub-contractors.
Probably or actually?
 

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Probably or actually?
I love my iPhone and have bought into the religion of Apple, but Apple doesn’t manufacture the actual parts either. They design many of them, but don’t manufacture them. This doesn’t change my love for the product.
 

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I love my iPhone and have bought into the religion of Apple, but Apple doesn’t manufacture the actual parts either. They design many of them, but don’t manufacture them. This doesn’t change my love for the product.
Exactly. Because at the end of the day we are buying a product, not a collection of pieces.
 

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Porsche does NOT manufacture the motors for our cars?
source of this assertion?

this video shows the EV motors being assembled by Porsche in the Taycan factory…sure seems like Porsche manufactures the motors for our cars.

Electric Porsche Taycan Powertrain Assembly


at a minmum even if porsche doesn't manufacture the motors they are designed to Porsche's specifications - kinda like Apple designing the chip architecture and then TMSC does the actual silicon production - the design is what you're purchasing…Porsche certainly designed the motor.

but I could be wrong.
 
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source of this assertion?

this video shows the EV motors being assembled by Porsche in the Taycan factory…sure seems like Porsche manufactures the motors for our cars.

Electric Porsche Taycan Powertrain Assembly


at a minmum even if porsche doesn't manufacture the motors they are designed to Porsche's specifications - kinda like Apple designing the chip architecture and then TMSC does the actual silicon production - the design is what you're purchasing…Porsche certainly designed the motor.

but I could be wrong.
It shows them dropping the rotor into the stator, but I’m not sure I qualify that as manufacturing a motor.

They may well make those components too, but I could also see that being outsourced and then Porsche receiving them as separate components to drop into their housings.

I don’t have any specific information one way or another.

I also don’t think it matters much.
 
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source of this assertion?

this video shows the EV motors being assembled by Porsche in the Taycan factory…sure seems like Porsche manufactures the motors for our cars.

Electric Porsche Taycan Powertrain Assembly


at a minmum even if porsche doesn't manufacture the motors they are designed to Porsche's specifications - kinda like Apple designing the chip architecture and then TMSC does the actual silicon production - the design is what you're purchasing…Porsche certainly designed the motor.

but I could be wrong.
Yes I have said most of their parts are built to Porsche specs, supplied by third parties.
It probably isn't true to call some of the parts "designed" by Porsche, but that can be argued.
Porsche like every other company is really a system integrator assembling parts
(another example here is Apple).

https://www.motortrend.com/news/inside-porsche-taycan-factory/
" As mentioned in our First Look story, Taycan will launch in two-motor form, with e-motors in two levels of tune. Core e-motor parts—rotor, stator, etc.—are from third-party suppliers. "

Personally I would love to see Apple buy Porsche. An excellent software, user interface, digital
integration company working with a premier car design & manufacturing!
 

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yeah we're on a very slippery slope here - cause if you're going to suggest everyone must make everything - then Porsche would need to smelt the steel and aluminum to truly make anything - otherwise that's outsourced also…

the major point is Porsche specifies components to their standards and then uses others to make them - but still assembles and designed a vehicle that exceeds others standards…

example the metallurgy for a valve spring that can handle a 9,000 rpm motor is very different than an ECO box valve spring - Porsche specifies it, designs it, tests it, and then sources it, and then assembles it - now that is not the same valve spring you're going to find in a low end VW - even if it's made in the same factory…

who designs something and to what specifications and then enforces the quality does matter.

I know for a fact Porsche stuff is designed better and to a high standard with better materials than other alternatives - does it matter, sometimes yes sometimes no - but I do know they sweat some details other's just ignore - I see it at every track weekend when lesser cars just can't take the 2 or 3 days of full bore running…and yet Porsches tend to have fewer problems.

example: Porsche's are about the only vehicle you drive off the lot to the track and expect the brakes to last all day - BMW no, Tesla god no, Corvette no, Mustang No, Hellcat No, Ferrari (yes)...

don't trivialize design choices and specifications just because you reused a factory that makes components that's called efficiency - not sloppy.

now Tesla's design and spec's - whole different ball game - we'll start with their brakes and pad specifications and get more depressed from there on out - even though they have Brembo make the brakes…they are utter crap.
 
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I agree, where I got flamed was in another post where I suggested the news about VW
starting to manufacture batteries. I suggested this was neither good nor bad, but
would likely lead to not necessarily using the absolute best batteries available at any
one time. A company like VW typically cannot change their manufacturing process or
supply chain very quickly. And batteries for a Jetta etc need to mostly be cheap, not
leading edge. The other person thought VW building their own batteries would mean
the batteries were "the best". Religious argument. A different poster suggested Tesla
batteries would be better, I don't honestly know. New technologies are being worked
on, most often existing huge corporations don't move to newer, better, faster designs.
The evidence is all over the place in the business world.
 

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I love my iPhone and have bought into the religion of Apple, but Apple doesn’t manufacture the actual parts either. They design many of them, but don’t manufacture them. This doesn’t change my love for the product.
I wasn't asking about Apple.....
 
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