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Reality however.
Not entirely fair given the supply chain issues over the past year and higher chip needs of electric cars. There’s always more issues with new car models (of which most electrics are) relative to more established platforms. I wouldn’t put too much stock in it long term. They’re simpler machines mechanically.
This article is noise imo. The data needs to be broken down across sub-categories like mechanical, software, structural etc. Also needs to be further divided into failure modes and issue severity. Even then it would still be noise. I'd much rather than 1000 software bugs impacting "reliability" then 10 mechanical issues impacting real reliability. Surface level aggregate stats being used to paint a story without context.
Nothing is perfect and everything breaks or will experience a defect during it's lifetime.Yes and no.
Anything meaning you can’t use your car converts it from a car to a millstone and is totally unacceptable IMO.
In the 50 years I have owned cars I have only once broken down on the road and only a couple of times needed a fix like more hydraulic oil in the hood folding mechanism of my Mercedes SL which needed dealer attention at the next service but didn’t stop me using the car.
The fact that an electronic fault may be fixable with software update is moot compared to a vehicle that doesn’t break down at all.
Unreliability is the biggest defect any car can have IMO since it means it is no longer actually a car.
I am very intolerant of bad design or implementation.
I don’t use in car entertainment much, and that wouldn’t be a problem of reliability anyway.Nothing is perfect and everything breaks or will experience a defect during it's lifetime.
It's most definitely to be expected on a new platform like Porsches. However, to classify the car as less reliable wholesale is a stretch. Is it reliable to get you from A to B, it's core duty? Or is it reliable to ensure you can play Spotify through Apple Car play every time you get into the car? These are very different lenses and on different ends of the reliability and severity spectrum.
Now if we compare mechanical to mechanical, software to software, structural to structural, for EV vs. ICE, those comparisons would be interesting to see. If we compare the % of time you use the engine versus the % of time you use a particular software feature (like CarPlay), and look at those failure rates, that would also be interesting. The lens of which you view this data would provide more validity to that article but I didn't see those breakdowns in there. Hence it appeared as noise to me on face value.
The shame to which I referred was EVs in general but it is intriguing that EVs are the least reliable and self-charging hybrids the most. Perhaps because a lot of them are Toyotas!Just to clarify the addition I made to my original response- the article was a summary of Which? magazines survey. Which? magazine's current assessment of the reliability of the Taycan is:
"We’ve not heard from enough Porsche owners to rate this car"
I wasn't sure if everyone was considering EVs in general rather than just the Taycan.The shame to which I referred was EVs in general but it is intriguing that EVs are the least reliable and self-charging hybrids the most. Perhaps because a lot of them are Toyotas!
The other surprise is how much less reliable diesels are than petrol, I wouldn’t have expected that.
If you're looking for bullet proof reliability, buy a Honda.Unreliability is the biggest defect any car can have IMO since it means it is no longer actually a car.
I am very intolerant of bad design or implementation.
Not to argue, but if I may retort, my view is that ALL car companies are basically 'software companies' ever since the ICE switched from carb's to EFI, then the advancement of ABS, safety related software, adaptive cruise control, adaptive suspension, the list goes on and one. Now, even more so in 2022, this needs to be a core capability of a vehicle constructor. To me, there is no excuse that Porsche is not producing reliable tech. After all of their JV's and investments it is simply table-stakes now to expect that software 'works' and is reliable. They should have the competitive advantage with the driving engineering that they own with their IP and the retrograde or trade-off that we have to make for unreliable software is not one that I will except as an and/or. I can forgive extra bells and whistles that Tesla may produce on software, but I will not say that I am comfortable with their reliability issues....nor should Porsche accept this.Maybe also because Tesla is a software company with a lack of experience at building high quality / reliable cars......