Very happy with 150kW/400V charing option.

[Hirschaj]

I was on a trip this weekend and needed to charge near my hotel (Tesla Destination chargers did not work with my TeslaTap, I assume they were locked to Tesla only). The closest DCFCs were some Autel 480V chargers outside of a Volvo dealership near DFW airport. I drove to these chargers on Saturday morning without any battery preconditioning (SoC was ~25%, battery temp around 80ºF IIRC) and immediately got a charge rate of ~140kW. The charging session lasted about 24 minutes and went from 25%-80%. Not bad at all considering how long it would have taken me if it were capped at 50kW without the 150kW option. I liked these Autel charging stations, they looked nice and worked great. Total cost was $20.78.

One interesting thing I noticed between these Autel and the EA chargers I normally used... The charging rate at ~80% SoC was above 100kW with the Autels and was about 60-70kW at the EA station I used later that day. The EA station was delivering 195kW earlier in that same charging session so I'm wondering if there is some kind of benefit to the charging curve (at higher SoC) with these 400V charging stations as compared to the 800V stations.

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[hifi239]

In 2022 everybody said the 400V option was a paperweight. I just happened to have it. The car limits the charge rate based on the battery temperature, and SOC, and charger maximum. There really shouldn’t be a difference. Was the battery temperature the same? Perhaps the EA station was “shared” power and there were other cars?

 

[Donar]

Is there a way to see/check if the car has the 400V option?

It was not on the option list of my Taycan, however I did get 140KW at Tesla v2 SuC already.

 

[Hirschaj]

Is there a way to see/check if the car has the 400V option?

It was not on the option list of my Taycan, however I did get 140KW at Tesla v2 SuC already.

Sounds like you have the higher speed option then.

 

[Hirschaj]

In 2022 everybody said the 400V option was a paperweight. Who’s laughing now? The car limits the charge rate based on the battery temperature, and SOC, and charger maximum. There really shouldn’t be a difference. Was the battery temperature the same? Perhaps the EA station was “shared” power and there were other cars?

Battery temperature was higher at EA since the car was able to precondition the battery.

 

[McgR]

Nice charging stats.

Charge curve seems to be as important as absolute charge speed.

for example the eqs has 200 kw max but charge time from 15-80 is 7 minutes longer than the Taycan but is also has a 108 kWh battery.

the real benefit is charging from 10 to 50-60 % this I really quick. I have seen this in around 10 minutes. But when going for 85% it seems to level is slower chargers that can keep up the speed for a longer time.

 

[Perry]

In my opinion, if there's one thing one shouldn't cheap out on with an EV, it's anything related to charging. It's essentially like insurance. Even if there's a chance that you'll never need 400V charging, if you don't have it the one time you actually need it, it might be the difference between a trip being a complete disaster or not.

I think it's really nice to see that 400V charging is standard now with MY25. I'm very curious to see how the charge curve will look like, seeing how it appears to be a fundamentally different system this time around.

 

[Redhot2474]

I was on a trip this weekend and needed to charge near my hotel (Tesla Destination chargers did not work with my TeslaTap, I assume they were locked to Tesla only). The closest DCFCs were some Autel 480V chargers outside of a Volvo dealership near DFW airport. I drove to these chargers on Saturday morning without any battery preconditioning (SoC was ~25%, battery temp around 80ºF IIRC) and immediately got a charge rate of ~140kW. The charging session lasted about 24 minutes and went from 25%-80%. Not bad at all considering how long it would have taken me if it were capped at 50kW without the 150kW option. I liked these Autel charging stations, they looked nice and worked great. Total cost was $20.78.

One interesting thing I noticed between these Autel and the EA chargers I normally used... The charging rate at ~80% SoC was above 100kW with the Autels and was about 60-70kW at the EA station I used later that day. The EA station was delivering 195kW earlier in that same charging session so I'm wondering if there is some kind of benefit to the charging curve (at higher SoC) with these 400V charging stations as compared to the 800V stations.

I’ve never charged in wild yet , do you need to use an AP? How about electrify , you have to use an AP?

 

[W1NGE]

Is there a way to see/check if the car has the 400V option?

It was not on the option list of my Taycan, however I did get 140KW at Tesla v2 SuC already.

I think you've answered your own question. If v2 EVSEs are 400v then you must have the voltage booster installed.

If not listed then it may well be standard fit in your region. It should be listed on the spec sheet of your car.

Also, your dealer will be able to confirm.

 

[Gino]

In 2022 everybody said the 400V option was a paperweight. I just happened to have it. The car limits the charge rate based on the battery temperature, and SOC, and charger maximum. There really shouldn’t be a difference. Was the battery temperature the same? Perhaps the EA station was “shared” power and there were other cars?

Was the 400V option available on 2021 models? If I have two different charging ports (on both sides) does that mean I can use a 400V charger?

 

[W1NGE]

Was the 400V option available on 2021 models? If I have two different charging ports (on both sides) does that mean I can use a 400V charger?

Yes available on MY21 cars - I had it on my 4S.

All Taycans have 2 charging ports both are AC and the passenger side also supports DC charging. Completely independent of whether or not the 150kW 400v DC booster has been fitted. The two are not related.

You can always use a 400v EVSE (note that these aren't chargers - the charger is in the car). So don't give it a second thought just plug in and if you get > 50kW and ideally up to 150kW then you will have this option installed.

 

[Gino]

Yes available on MY21 cars - I had it on my 4S.

All Taycans have 2 charging ports both are AC and the passenger side also supports DC charging. Completely independent of whether or not the 150kW 400v DC booster has been fitted. The two are not related.

You can always use a 400v EVSE (note that these aren't chargers - the charger is in the car). So don't give it a second thought just plug in and if you get > 50kW and ideally up to 150kW then you will have this option installed.

Thanks for clarifying. We're still very new to the EV world after only 5 months with our Taycan.

 

[Hirschaj]

I’ve never charged in wild yet , do you need to use an AP? How about electrify , you have to use an AP?

Not sure what you mean by “AP”. I assume you’re asking if an app is required. I tapped a credit card at the Autel station. I use plug and charge (built into the car) at EA which provides the free charging.

 

[iamai]

Was the 400V option available on 2021 models? If I have two different charging ports (on both sides) does that mean I can use a 400V charger?

You can find what equipment your car has by inspecting the "Monroney Label". I think this works only if you access "My Porsche" on the computer browser and not phone.

My Porsche > About my vehicle > scroll down to see "Window Sticker"
look for "On-board 150 kW/400V DC Charger"

 

[ShiftyWolf]

I’ve never charged in wild yet , do you need to use an AP? How about electrify , you have to use an AP?

@Redhot2474 the Electrify America DC chargers work within the Porsche app and you don't need to open anything if you have plug and charge turned on (edit: if you've already saved a credit card to your Porsche account). Other DC chargers are dependent on the brand. EVgo allows you to use a credit card, I believe, but ChargePoint requires their app even for the free charging stations.

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