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Yeah I really like that the car tells me how fast I can possibly charge at any given time and the difference between how much the car wants vs gets. Really helpful to optimize my charging stops (also whether to precondition the battery or not). The finger pointing is just hilarious šŸ˜†
Hi, J1 has battery temperature, but no direct way to control when, or even tell if, preconditioning is happening. Does the J1.2 have either of those things?
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Hi, J1 has battery temperature, but no direct way to control when, or even tell if, preconditioning is happening. Does the J1.2 have either of those things?
Thereā€™s a little message on the screen saying ā€œPorsche Charging Planner is activeā€ when the car is preconditioning the battery. It comes on and off as needed when approaching the charging station in the nav. And itā€™ll show the charging speed it can do at real-time.

As far as I can tell, the preconditioning doesnā€™t take into the power of the charging station you put in the nav. So for example, if Iā€™m going to a 200kw charging station, Iā€™d turn off the charging planner once the car shows it can charge at 200kw so it doesnā€™t waste
 

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Thereā€™s a little message on the screen saying ā€œPorsche Charging Planner is activeā€ when the car is preconditioning the battery. It comes on and off as needed when approaching the charging station in the nav. And itā€™ll show the charging speed it can do at real-time.

As far as I can tell, the preconditioning doesnā€™t take into the power of the charging station you put in the nav. So for example, if Iā€™m going to a 200kw charging station, Iā€™d turn off the charging planner once the car shows it can charge at 200kw so it doesnā€™t waste
My own test confirms the second hypothesis.
I turned on nav to a 640kW station that the Taycan thought was still 50kW.
(Not the fault of the Taycan, since the station upgrade does not appear in PlugShare, but other new stations do appear in the Taycan nav, so those frequent map updates are for real!)

The preconditioning still took place, even though it would not have been of any use at 50kW DCFC.
(And of course the 640kW charger couldnā€™t maintain even 100kW, since of course itā€™s our taxpayer dollars at work.)
 

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Seems to me that if one has a non-Tesla charging account (I do) and THIS ADAPTER, it should be a simple PnC situation. It can deliver 150kw, not bad.

Does anyone see any issues with this situation? Iā€™d like to carry an adapter, before Porsche offers it sometime in the foggy future.
 

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In Australia we can use Tesla superchargers and no adapter needed, just the Tesla app..price is higher of course or a bit cheaper paying a monthly fee. The o lot problem is not all superchargers stations are non-Tesla open..I assume because of the number of available stalls
 


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Seems to me that if one has a non-Tesla charging account (I do) and THIS ADAPTER, it should be a simple PnC situation. It can deliver 150kw, not bad.

Does anyone see any issues with this situation? Iā€™d like to carry an adapter, before Porsche offers it sometime in the foggy future.
Yes, that adapter looks like it can eventually get you connected here in the USA.
However, even if you activate the Tesla charger from the app today, the first thing the car will do is transmit its VIN to the charger during the CCS handshake.
The charger will reject your VIN as no partnership currently exists between Porsche and Tesla (coming soon). Perhaps Tesla will relax that constraint sometime in the future and just let any CCS adapter activate and begin a charge.
 

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Seems to me that if one has a non-Tesla charging account (I do) and THIS ADAPTER, it should be a simple PnC situation. It can deliver 150kw, not bad.

Does anyone see any issues with this situation? Iā€™d like to carry an adapter, before Porsche offers it sometime in the foggy future.
Iā€™d go with the Lectron or A2Z adapter rather a brand that appears to be named after a rather untrustworthy character from LOTR.

Once we do receive authorization, even with the 150kW/400v option, the actual speed is in the 130s. But reliable, and sustained. (By contrast, today I tried again at a local 640kW charger but never even hit 67kW.)

As for when we do receive authorization from Tesla, this summer sure would be nice. But so much is TBD. The only thing for certain is no need to wait for an adapter with a car company logo.
 
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The only thing for certain is no need to wait for an adapter with a car company logo.
So even thatā€™s not certain! Word is if you use a non-approved adapter and something goes wrong, no liability from either Tesla or Porsche.
 


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So even thatā€™s not certain! Word is if you use a non-approved adapter and something goes wrong, no liability from either Tesla or Porsche.
If you use any adapter, regardless of logo, and something goes wrong (which Iā€™m pretty sure has never happened), the one thing that is for certain is that all sorts of claims and counter claims will ensue among the charger manufacturer, the charger owner, the station land owner, the adapter company, the car manufacturer (which is never the producer of the adapter for any CCS1 EV model), and the EV driver.
 

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Agree New Hampshire is a CCS wasteland. Went up to Mt Sunapee in winter 2023 and nearest CCS Charger was 50 miles away And that was a 50KW single station unit. Hoping things have improved since then but looking for optionality that Tesla supercharger network will provide.
 

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I have been charging my EQS SUV at Tesla Superchargers with MagicDock (MD) for over a year. Since December, 2024 I have also been able to charge at non-MD stations. In both cases I have been initiating the charging session from the Tesla app, which is very easy to do. Much easier than the countless times I had to get EA to initiate the charging session on my Taycan.

The Mercedes/Tesla charging agreement kicks in on 4-Feb-2025. But there is a hack that allows me to access the non-MD Superchargers now. The Tesla app asks you for your vehicle type, if you enter EQS or Taycan, then only MD Superchargers will be included in charger search results. If you enter any vehicle on the approved list, like Ford Lightning, then all the eligible V3 and V4 Superchargers will appear in the app, even if they are not fitted with MD.

Originally, the MD Superchargers did not appear in the MB navigation system. But these were recently added and if selected the HV battery is preconditioned. The non-MD stations do not appear on the MB navigation map. I mention this since it was not necessary for the dealer to do anything to enable recognition of the MD Superchargers. I am hoping this is true for the non-MD chargers too. I don't plan on using PnC even if it's possible since that would most likely only be possible by giving up the discounted kW charge offered to Tesla app customers with a membership subsciption.

If you don't want to wait for the "Porsche" adapter, I recommend getting the Ford or MB version of the Lectron adapter or the genuine Tesla adapter. The Ford and MB versions of Lectron have an interlocking pin that prevents the NACS connector from being removed while the adapter is attached to the car. The Tesla adapter has this same feature. The standard Lectron adapter allows the NACS cable to be removed while the adapter is attached. I believe there is a microswitch in the Lectron adapter that will interrupt the charging session if someone tries to remove the NACS connector.

One benefit of the standard Lectron adapter is that it is actually physically easier to remove the NACS plug since the adapter is firmly attached to the car.

I am currently using the Tesla adapter which is not currently sold by Tesla. I got mine for $185 from a Rivian customer who got it for free. This past weekend a Tesla owner helped me pull the adapter from the NACS connector when he saw me struggling. He proceeded to tell me how much he disliked his Model 3 RWD.
 

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So many Kia, Hyundai and Genesis EV owners took advantage of that hack (telling the Tesla app that the vehicle being charged was a different, supported vehicle) that Tesla nerfed it for the time being.

Presumably once the formal agreement is announced the ability to charge at Superchargers will return. šŸ¤žšŸ»
 

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I charged my EQS SUV with the Tesla adapter on 1-Feb-2025 with no problems. I would not be surprised if Tesla has an issue with the adapters being provided by Kia since are rated at a lower amperage than the Lectron or Tesla adapters.
 

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I charged my EQS SUV with the Tesla adapter on 1-Feb-2025 with no problems. I would not be surprised if Tesla has an issue with the adapters being provided by Kia since are rated at a lower amperage than the Lectron or Tesla adapters.
Interesting...

I have the Ford-provided adapter and will give this a try in the next couple of days at one of the non MD v3 SuperChargers around here.
I had previously heard of people having success with this workaround, but it was dismissed as Tesla only temporarily relaxing the VIN checking for testing purposes.
 

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I have been unable to replicate charging @ a supercharger (non-Magic dock) w/Tesla app with my 2024 Macan, but selecting an "approved" vehicle in the Tesla appā€¦

I'm not saying it doesn't work

I'm saying it doesn't work for me.
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