GTS Sport Turismo range was much more than initially indicated/expected on long drive!

I took my GTS Sport Turismo from Los Angles to Indian Wells and back last week. After having two Tesla Model S's in a row... I was amazed that the mileage was always MORE than promised, even at full freeway speeds (regularly 80-90mph). I was really pleasantly surprised with the Taycan AND it just makes me feel much more secure about indicated range.

I took many trips to the bay area in my Tesla (370 Miles or so... and had to charge at least 2-3 times one way if I was going over 70mph). On the Tesla, I always had to do some kind of fuzzy math in my head to figure out how much it was going to be off at speed.

DRIVE TO INDIAN WELLS
Available Range at Start: 213 Miles
Total Distance: 160 Miles
Range Left: 80

RETURN FROM OUTLET MALL CHARGERS
Available Range at Start: 195 Miles
Total Distance: 120 Miles
Range Left: 110

The GTS apparently has the best range/efficiency. I've been impressed with how efficient highway driving is in my GTS. The GTS's aerodynamics must impact this a lot. I almost went to Indian Wells in my Taycan too!

Once you start to focus on consumption data (Trip Total) then the miles / kWh will provide a much more accurate indication of range and in particular on longer journeys.

Relying on the indicated range is a bit of a lottery given the car doesn't know how far, how fast, ambients,, terrain etc unless NAV is used.

My GTS ST is only 3 weeks old and consumption is high (I expect that). Full braking recuperation kicked in at 625 miles and now I start to see reported range on an 85% charge start to rise.- 163 miles on day 1 and now 172 miles (AC on) - and will only get better. Some more miles needed to get 200 or so.

I don't expect my GTS to be more efficient than my 4S as the software stack and batteries are the same. Porsche didn't redo the WLTP tests for all Taycans following the major uPdate applied to all non GTS cars last year. To think the GTS will be more efficient is somewhat optimistic therefore.

OP, when you said ‘range at start’ did you by chance have a route plugged into the NAV? If so, know that doing so in the area between the Bay Area/LA/Palm Springs will result in a material underestimation of the available range in the estimator. I’ve done that trip three times in my 4S and adding a route does that going all ways. It consistently underestimated range by about 20%. When I removed the route guidance, it immediately corrected to the real range.

I have my GTS and my 85% with AC shows 188miles. Its done 280 miles so far and i have had it for 3 weeks. I really love the car. The range just keeps on getting better and better. Plus the weather here in the UK is not the greatest yet.

I have a Tesla Model S P100D and that car on a full battery shows 270 miles but in reality will do circa 225 miles and its a 100KWH Battery.

I haven't driven it on the motorway yet, but i'm sure that will improve the range too.

Plus the way it feels, drives and the sound... wow. I'm loving this car.

badboy1980 said:

I have my GTS and my 85% with AC shows 188miles. Its done 280 miles so far and i have had it for 3 weeks. I really love the car. The range just keeps on getting better and better. Plus the weather here in the UK is not the greatest yet.

I have a Tesla Model S P100D and that car on a full battery shows 270 miles but in reality will do circa 225 miles and its a 100KWH Battery.

I haven't driven it on the motorway yet, but i'm sure that will improve the range too.

Plus the way it feels, drives and the sound... wow. I'm loving this car.

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Motorway driving will have a negative impact on range - constant speed (70mph) will not help consumption.

W1NGE said:

Motorway driving will have a negative impact on range - constant speed (70mph) will not help consumption.

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To be honest I think it’s the opposite. I plan to do it in the next week or two and will let you know. But my experience from my Tesla is if you have a steady run then the efficiency really improves. Also I use Eco mode a lot and it has little or no impact that I can see from blowing full AC.

badboy1980 said:

To be honest I think it’s the opposite. I plan to do it in the next week or two and will let you know. But my experience from my Tesla is if you have a steady run then the efficiency really improves. Also I use Eco mode a lot and it has little or no impact that I can see from blowing full AC.

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I've had 2 Taycans now over 2.5 yrs and do a lot of cruise control 70mph speed - trust me!

No opportunity for recuperation...basic logic applies here

W1NGE said:

I've had 2 Taycans now over 2.5 yrs and do a lot of cruise control 70mph speed - trust me!

No opportunity for recuperation...basic logic applies here

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That’s strange as the Tesla performs better on motorway in terms of range.
Oh well I guess I will find out myself. Anyway the more I drive this car, the more I realise it’s about the experience rather than just concerning myself with range. Certainly a more enjoyable car to drive than my P100D even though that’s faster in a straight line.

badboy1980 said:

That’s strange as the Tesla performs better on motorway in terms of range.
Oh well I guess I will find out myself. Anyway the more I drive this car, the more I realise it’s about the experience rather than just concerning myself with range. Certainly a more enjoyable car to drive than my P100D even though that’s faster in a straight line.

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Motorway driving is indeed beneficial to range since you’re not wasting energy on stop and go driving. However, at high speeds physics become a problem again as wind and rolling resistance as well as the higher energy drain which leads to more energy wasted as heat significantly drains range.

Look at any hyper miling effort and you’ll see it’s typically done with low speed motorway driving.

ardevd said:

Motorway driving is indeed beneficial to range since you’re not wasting energy on stop and go driving. However, at high speeds physics become a problem again as wind and rolling resistance as well as the higher energy drain which leads to more energy wasted as heat significantly drains range.

Look at any hyper miling effort and you’ll see it’s typically done with low speed motorway driving.

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Flat motorway over any distance at a constant speed will use more energy than being on a country road over the same distance - overrun recuperation + braking recuperation = more range (all other things being equal)

W1NGE said:

Flat motorway over any distance at a constant speed will use more energy than being on a country road over the same distance - overrun recuperation + braking recuperation = more range (all other things being equal)

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Simply not true. Brake regeneration is fine but doesn’t offset the need for acceleration to get back up to speed. Hypermiling is all about driving smooth for as much time as possible.

ardevd said:

Simply not true. Brake regeneration is fine but doesn’t offset the need for acceleration to get back up to speed. Hypermiling is all about driving smooth for as much time as possible.

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That’s my experience too. 65 mph is the sweet spot for my Tesla in “Range Mode”

ardevd said:

Simply not true. Brake regeneration is fine but doesn’t offset the need for acceleration to get back up to speed. Hypermiling is all about driving smooth for as much time as possible.

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I didn't mention hyper milling. Normal driving as in real world.

Oh and it's recuperation and not regeneration in Porsche terms.

Do the test for real and learn the hard way but I have quite some experience at this.

Range mode is more or less redundant now in the Taycan since the uPdate as the car is predominantly rear wheel drive (on AWD models) where prior to this it meant front motor power only when on the level and as it was a smaller motor used less power.

My Taycan Turbo CT was the opposite, it took probably 1000+ miles before it started estimating the range closer to reality - prior to that it was way too optimistic (the worst was an estimate of 35% at next charger, arrived with <10% while driving slow the last few miles). Now it seems to pretty good, except when parked for a couple of days, in which situation it never shows range dropped while parked, but the first few miles show very inefficient (eat more than 2:1 from estimated range).