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Discussion in 'General Topics' started by MissionC, May 12, 2019.
another drive along:
I hate that this latest information has me thinking Tesla Model 3 Performance. You've articulated what has been mulling in my head since I saw this article and that German fella squished in the back of the Taycan on his YT video. Furthermore, everything points to 'what's next' in a dramatic and rapid evolution of the tech that could render the gen 1 irrelevant before it's even fully released! It's great that it is fast charge capable, but likely very few places it can accomplish it. And, seriously, speccing below Tesla 100 batteries?!
The wait continues but the excitement is dwindling...
My thoughts as well
With current battery tech, only so much kWh can be fit into an area the size of the floor pan. Porsche then handicapped themselves somewhat by committing to the "foot garages" for the rear passengers. I'd much rather have the additional kWh that a flat floor would provide, rear seat passengers be damned (well under 1% adult utilization in my case). Considering the timeline for NMC 811 cell pouches appears to have been pushed out, that indicates Porsche is likely using NMC 622 cell pouches, which again places a limit on the maximum possible battery capacity. All things considered, achieving a 96 kWh pack is somewhat impressive.
We should brace ourselves for fairly disappointing EPA numbers once they are released. Keep in mind, Porsche has stated all along a range of 500 km (~310 miles). Of course, that will surely be with the WLTP test in mind, due to its use in Porsche's home market. EPA ratings are less optimistic (more realistic), and could result in figures closer to 446 km (~277 miles). Also remember that the Audi e-Tron WLTP and EPA numbers came in well below expectations.
310 miles of range is for the even more optimistic NEDC cycle, not WLTP. From an official Porsche press release at the time of the Geneva auto show in March:
According to one source NEDC range can be converted to EPA range by dividing by 1.43 with a standard deviation of .16 (11% error range). They would indicate an expected EPA range of 204-231 miles. Let's hope Porsche does better than that given the expected pricing.
Thanks for the correction.
This is unfortunate, considering the EU has already transitioned to the WLTP standard for consumer facing vehicle emissions and efficiency data. Porsche isn't the only company still playing the NEDC game in advertising, though. While that is still sufficient for my daily use, it would be unfortunate for any moderate, or longer distance driving. Particularly so, considering Electrify America charging stations are primarily being placed in Walmart and Target parking lots. Not exactly places I would choose to hang-out while charging.
Perfect place to go if you want a door dent.
You may be right that it won't happen. The European Union floated the idea of NO tariffs for vehicles. Currently, there is a 10 import tax when American cars are imported to Europe, a 2.5 % tax of European cars imported to the USA but a 25% tariff on trucks imported to the USA (from Europe or Japan). Once the Europeans offered NO tariffs, then Trump shut up because he wants to protect Ford, GM and Chrysler with the most lucrative truck market as well as the large truck market.
I know this is not a political forum, and maybe we should stay away from it. But tariffs on the Taycan will probably effect/destroy any plans of buying a Taycan for people living in the USA. It never ceases to amaze me that Trump supporters will deny that Trump says something when it is RECORDED or sent out on twitter. He often contradicts himself and his administration make him and the USA the laughing stock of the world. You should watch the reactions (the laughter, the laughing at Trump, not with) of the German delegation when Trump spoke at the UN, and understand that normally Germans don't show their emotions too well.
Trump has REPEATEDLY threatened tariffs on German cars.
“If you want to build cars in the world, then I wish you all the best. You can build cars for the United States, but for every car that comes to the USA, you will pay 35 percent tax,” Trump said in remarks translated into German. (January 2017)
"President Donald Trump upped the ante in a brewing trade conflict stirred up by his announcement of steel and aluminum tariffs, saying the U.S. would impose tariffs on European car exports if the bloc follows through with retaliation against his metals duties." March 2018
“If the E.U. wants to further increase their already massive tariffs and barriers on U.S. companies doing business there, we will simply apply a tax on their cars which freely pour into the U.S.,” the president said on Twitter.
President Trump is threatening to impose a 20 percent tariff on all auto imports from Europe (May 2018)
President Trump threatens 20% (Feb 2019).
The Europeans favor NO tariffs, but the Trump admin probably under the lobbying of Ford, GM and Chrysler, will probably not end up imposing them. He cant have it both ways, no tariffs for American cars, but keeping tariffs on small and large trucks. Trump should not be afraid, as the most redneck Americans that support him will buy a Ford pickup over a VW pickup anyway, even if the Ford is broken down on the side of the road. Actually the main problem American car makers have is that they dont produce cars that Europeans want! Ford is the most successful, selling about 200k to 250k cars in Germany, about 7% of the market, which is actually better than VW in the USA. Also Trump probably was shocked to learn that German carmakers make 850,000 cars in the USA, most for EXPORT from the USA abroad.....oh....sorry, Trump still doesn't know that as he doesn't have the capacity to learn and actual facts are irrelevant to him and his supporters....LOL
I still dont see how the Taycan is a national security threat to the USA (the only way Trump can impose tariffs without congressional approval)
Back to the forum......I do hope there are no tariffs on the Taycan!!
More pricing info in an interview with CEO Oliver Blume in today’s Porsche e-performance email..... seems to be creeping up from the initial “price point starting between Cayenne and Panamera”
Panorama magazine stated the each Taycan will represent a loss for Porsche of between $6800 to $11300 depending on model.
Which issue and article?
You’re right. Trump is a slightly functional illiterate
I’ve been saying that for weeks. It’s now similar to 911 prices according to reports
If it performs like a 911 you can be sure Porsche will price it like a 911.
If there is a performance-pricing then we have to compare with 911 Turbo or even 911 Turbo S prices