Can I remove the fake vent inserts from Turbo rear bumper?

[chun]

So why doesn't Porsche add this to the other models then but only to Turbo/Turbo S?
Maybe to make m look more "beefier" as in "aestheticly enhanced" like all more powerfull Porsches?

Why would they need to make their most powerful mass production car look more powerful?
But sure, we can create a conspiracy theory, all while ignoring official presentation material from Porsche about the optimizations they did for extra range.

I am not saying looks played no part, but the change was not driven by looks as a main factor

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[A.Mayor]

From my limited understanding, I believe the rear vents are rather secondary or a byproduct of the so-called vertical side deflectors, often mounted or integrated into the side back of the trunk. These deflectors manipulate the airflow and apparently significantly reduce drag and improve efficiency. They are also gaining popularity both for their obvious efficiency improvement and aesthetics (taste aside).

 

[Dee]

I am not saying looks played no part, but the change was not driven by looks as a main factor

You are dodging my question.
So why doesn't Porsche add this design change, which will add "more efficiency" and therefore "more range", to all models then?

 

[Dee]

Why would they need to make their most powerful mass production car look more powerful?

Aesthetics sells.

The main reason efficiency has improved is due to the new front and headlights, not cuz of some fake vent on the back.
All models have the new front, that makes perfectly sense imho.

 

[chun]

Aesthetics sells.
That's why the Turbo GT has a wing although it doesn't need one.
Hmm, maybe for extra range?...

They do state that the weissach package severally impacts max range.
At least in swiss, most orders of weissach have been canceled and cars are sitting at dealerships...
So doubt aesthetics sell in this specific case.

As for the other "aesthetic" changes, they claim and back up with numbers that it increases efficency

 

[Dee]

They do state that the weissach package severally impacts max range.
At least in swiss, most orders of weissach have been canceled and cars are sitting at dealerships...
So doubt aesthetics sell in this specific case.

As for the other "aesthetic" changes, they claim and back up with numbers that it increases efficency

You were too quick.
I changed my post so I won't and can't comment on your reply.
Please review.

 

[chun]

You are dodging my question.
So why doesn't Porsche add this design change, which will add "more efficiency" and therefore "more range", to all models then?

Why do all the models that have it have better range / consumption, despite additional power?

 

[Dee]

Why do all the models that have it have better range / consumption, despite additional power?

Why do you answer with a question?
Please answer my question first.
I answered yours.
Thank you.

 

[chun]

Why do you answer with a question?
Please answer my question first.
I answered yours.
Thank you.

Costumers want different things. Not everyone wants the best version of the car or can afford the best version of the car.
Tooling a new panel costs extra, so they put it on more expensive cars to offset the cost, and as a result those cars have improved consumption.

Happy?

Again, numbers and official material from porsche states that it is a functional aerdynamic change that improves range by reducing drag. You can believe whatever you want, but the facts are as presented.

 

[Dee]

Costumers want different things. Not everyone wants the best version of the car or can afford the best version of the car.
Tooling a new panel costs extra, so they put it on more expensive cars, and as a result those cars have improved consumption.

Happy?

Again, numbers and official material from porsche states that it is a functional aerdynamic change that improves range by reducing drag. You can believe whatever you want, but the facts are as presented.

Thanks, now we're talking.
But....you're contradicting yourself.
Wouldn't it be cheaper for Porsche to have just one efficient rear bumper for all their models then?
They've done that with the front bumper/facia so your logic doesn't make sense to me.

 

[chun]

Thanks, now we're talking.
But....you're contradicting yourself.
Wouldn't it be cheaper for Porsche to have just one efficient rear bumper for all their models then?
They've done that with the front bumper/facia so your logic doesn't make sense to me.

They have been producing more taycans than they can sell, and tooling for the old panel is already long since covered. This means that there is existing stock for the specific panel, which it is highly unlikely that they will throw away. I don't work for porsche, I wouldn't know.

Do you belive 911 was an inside job also? You're very into conspiracy theories, or you sure make it look like that.

Can you tell us why consumption is better on the models that have this new panel, as opposed to the models that don't, despite having more power and an extra engine? Because porsche can tell us, and they have. Aerodynamics improvements.

 

[A.Mayor]

Thanks, now we're talking.
But....you're contradicting yourself.
Wouldn't it be cheaper for Porsche to have just one efficient rear bumper for all their models then?
They've done that with the front bumper/facia so your logic doesn't make sense to me.

Porsche has traditionally differentiated the aerodynamics of it’s higher trims, with elements that cannot be optioned on lower trims.

 

[Kleenex]

I'm pretty sure these can be removed.
But what are you going to put back in?

I haven't thought about it. I'm just afraid that those vent hole decorations aren't as "REAL" as the 911 Turbo. Because anyone would notice they are fake at first glance. Plus I also don't believe they are for aerodynamics. To be aerodynamic, there should be proper air tunnel across the rear fender i think...

 

[chun]

I haven't thought about it. I'm just afraid that those vent hole decorations aren't as "REAL" as the 911 Turbo. Because anyone would notice they are fake at first glance. Plus I also don't believe they are for aerodynamics. To be aerodynamic, there should be proper air tunnel across the rear fender i think...

If you check my posts above, you would see that as per porsche documentation, it's purpose it to reduce drag by changing the shape of the base wake of the car. Nothing to do with air going through them, but air going around them. Hope that clarifies it for you

 

[Dee]

I haven't thought about it. I'm just afraid that those vent hole decorations aren't as "REAL" as the 911 Turbo. Because anyone would notice they are fake at first glance. Plus I also don't believe they are for aerodynamics. To be aerodynamic, there should be proper air tunnel across the rear fender i think...

Exactly.
Well, if you remove them and put some mesh behind it with Mansory-glue it'll draw a little vacuum behind the wheel well and if you make holes in the wheel arc liner it'll suck air from the wheel well which contributes to the aerodynamics of the car and maybe you even gain some range! ?

I love the design of the air curtain, behind the front wheel fender on Taycans with the manual charge door, they are real functional channels.
Too bad I have the electric charge doors so no channel but just a fake vent...(yes, I thought about opening them though).

PS I do know a thing or two about aerodynamics but I'm afraid @f1eng isn't going to add to this discussion but I understand that.
Well, too bad actually.
He's a proper F1 engineer, you know?

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