Recommended all season tyres in NL/EU?

[chun]

No snow, no snow tires. And the AS4+ destroys the CC2 in everything but snow and ice.

In the video you linked; at 5:10-5:40 he states: on ice, the difference is much bigger.

And that is the issue. In europe roads don't get snowed in most of the time, we actually have governments that plan for winter, shocking. But Ice? Ice can lay over a road EVERY morning.

And ice / sleet is the problem

Also, they are not "snow tires". They are winter tires.
Tires that qualify for the mountain/snowflake (“snow tires”) aren’t necessarily true winter tires. There is a distinction there.

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[Vercingetorix]

In the video you linked; at 5:10-5:40 he states: on ice, the difference is much bigger.

And that is the issue. In europe roads don't get snowed in most of the time, we actually have governments that plan for winter, shocking. But Ice? Ice can lay over a road EVERY morning.

And ice / sleet is the problem

Also, they are not "snow tires". They are winter tires.
Tires that qualify for the mountain/snowflake (“snow tires”) aren’t necessarily true winter tires. There is a distinction there.

I’m not in Europe. I can buy kick ass all season tires like the DWS 06+ or PSAS4. The issue is in the wet and dry winter tires give up way too much performance. Not worth it for 5 days of inclement weather. If I need to go out in ice, I put chains on. I know which tire I want in a wet panic stop.

 

[Throb]

Until someone brake checks you. Or an accident happens in front. Or a deer / cat /dog jumps in front and you hard pull on the steering wheel. Or you hit a pothole and you lose control. Any of these can results in fatal accidents, if the tire won't have enough grip following any of those incidents.

I'm surprised you leave your front door in the morning.

I guess there still are times when the temperature is below 7C. And at those temperature summer tyres are out of their comfort zones.

Which is why you drive to the conditions. Nobody is saying summer tyres give the same grip below 7 degrees, but there are some in this thread (see above) who would have you believe as soon as it gets a bit nippy, the grim reaper is sitting over your shoulder.

And some high performance summer tyres even come with a warning about using them below 7C. I think it was called cold cracking?

Never heard of this and never experienced it in 23 years of living in Holland and about 12 performance cars.

I have also a few times come with the ferry from the Uk in late April and there was sleet and snow on the main roads. Very slippery. So there is snow and certainly temperatures below 7C.

But it is everybody’s choice.

I've been driving between Maastricht and Luxembourg through the Ardennes in an E92 M3, on summer tyres, and been caught in a huge snowstorm. I managed to continue my journey without getting stuck or needing new underpants. The times I've been in a position in the last 23 years where I have been at risk due to ice, or stuck in snow, are literally zero.

But again, everybody's choice. I'm just sharing my experience who's lived in the OPs country for the last 23 years.

 

[tigerbalm]

I am the only Irish Taycan that swaps tyres between summer/winter wheel sets – due to my yearly trips to the Norwegian arctic. Nobody else here in Ireland – according to our only dealer/importer – does it due to the mild winters because of the North Atlantic drift.

Anyways one side effect of doing this – and one my dealer has commented on – is the absolutely excellent wear on the summer tyres that are not being driven under 7C ambient temperature.

My factory supplied summers have about 28,000km on them and have 0.45mm thread left on them. Meaning they have at least one more summer season of wear left on them.

Wheel swaps are also an excellent – twice a year – time to check brake pad wear and condition of the carbon ceramic discs.

 

[Scandinavian]

I’m not in Europe. I can buy kick ass all season tires like the DWS 06+ or PSAS4. The issue is in the wet and dry winter tires give up way too much performance. Not worth it for 5 days of inclement weather. If I need to go out in ice, I put chains on. I know which tire I want in a wet panic stop.

That Michelin Tyre Pilot Sport All Season4 have got some very good reviews. Unfortunately it seems however that they are not available for us here in Europe??. There seems to have been a massive development on these tyres over the last couple of years.

I became intrigued by your graph and started to look for more information and came across this review. Maybe that is an answer to the OP’s question and worthwhile trying to see if they are available? I watched about 85% of the video until at 12.30 in he explained that they were not available in Europe at least not at that date.

 

[chun]

I'm surprised you leave your front door in the morning.

Such a stupid straw man argument.

Do you also ride your motorbike without a helmet? Go skydiving without cheeking your parachute? Bungee jumping without checking the safety cord?

You don't prepare for the best case scenario / expected normal scenario. You prepare for the worst scenario, so if it happen, you are equipped to handle it.

They teach you this much with any extreme sport, first day on a race track, and even in driving school.

 

[Throb]

Such a stupid straw man argument.

Do you also ride your motorbike without a helmet? Go skydiving without cheeking your parachute? Bungee jumping without checking the safety cord?

Yeah, because they're all equivalent to driving with summer tyres in winter. And you have the audacity to say *my* argument is stupid?

You make it sound like everyone is flying off the roads in Holland as soon as the temperature drops below 7 degrees. Jesus wept.

 

[Gru]

my own experience, leaving not far from Netherlands.

I've spent the last two winters with summer tyres (Michelin - 20"), driving on cold highways. All fine.

But for one time ...

I was downtown, it started to snow a little, just a little, and I was very very lucky I made it back home, without hitting anything, at a turtle speed. It was just not safe, sliding constantly.

Since then I bought 21" with summer tyres, and I'll soon put winter tyres on the 20". I will not get caught a second time.

 

[frietzak]

Hankook has the new ion flexclimate but I don't know if they are already available.

 

[Dee]

If you read the annual tire tests of AutoWeek you'll notice that normal tires (I refuse to call them summer tires) are better in wet and dry, the most common weather in NL.
All seasons are tires which combine the worst of both winter and normal tires all in one tire!
Facts and data are far more relevant than "onderbuikgevoel".

Yes, there are good all seasons but c'mon, this is a Porsche.

Even with normal tires and 4WD you're fine.

 

[Johan Meert]

Do not forget that EU is very different than US. In the following countries you MUST have winter tyres (or all-seasons) mounted during winter conditions: Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Finland, Sweden, Norway and Luxemburg.

 

[Donar]

Just go for two sets for summer and winter. Changing them takes 2*30 minutes a year.

Personally I always go for a summer and winter set here in NL. There are a lot of days that I must take the car, no matter the weather, and I would not want to drive my RWD Taycan in icey conditions.

 

[Scandinavian]

Do not forget that EU is very different than US. In the following countries you MUST have winter tyres (or all-seasons) mounted during winter conditions: Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Finland, Sweden, Norway and Luxemburg.

Be aware that France also requires winter tyres (with the snowflake symbol, not M+S marking) in the mountainous areas. That is new from 2024 and I think the same markings are now required for Germany.

 

[Throb]

Do not forget that EU is very different than US. In the following countries you MUST have winter tyres (or all-seasons) mounted during winter conditions: Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Finland, Sweden, Norway and Luxemburg.

Just so people are clear, none of these countries say winter tyres are mandatory (except for Sweden where they are mandatory between 1st Dec and 31st Mar). Just when weather conditions are present. You do say that, but I think the point may be lost on some people.

Be aware that France also requires winter tyres (with the snowflake symbol, not M+S marking) in the mountainous areas. That is new from 2024 and I think the same markings are now required for Germany.

Correct. From 1st October 2024, M+S tyres are no longer classed as winter tyres in Germany, but then they're not mandatory anyway. Only when winter conditions exist.

 

[Johan Meert]

Just so people are clear, none of these countries say winter tyres are mandatory (except for Sweden where they are mandatory between 1st Dec and 31st Mar). Just when weather conditions are present. That point may be lost on some people.

True.
But in those countries unless you want to change your tyres every time some winter weather comes in, you really have no other choice than to drive 4-5 months with the winter tyres.

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