Recommended all season tyres in NL/EU?

[bastiaan]

I'm expecting my Taycan GTS Sport Turismo in a few weeks, and it comes with summers (Goodyear Eagle F1). For all my cars since many years I've been using all seasons and have been very pleased with not having to get another set of wheels and switching them 2x per year. So I'd like all seasons on my Taycan too!

It looks like in NL/Europe the only NF0 all season tyre for 21" wheels I can find is the Goodyear Eagle Touring (this one: front, rear). And I've been reading very mixed reviews online for that one. Especially that they wear out very soon (and a set is not cheap).

Question: are there other 21" all season tyres people can recommend? Ideally NF0, but also non-NF0? I mean, how much of an issue can non-NF0 really be as long as the size, speed and load ratings check out?

Any tips would be very welcome!

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[BjörnfromHamburg]

Waarom zouw je dat doen?

Only if you do not aspire to drive the Taycan as it is meant to be, and you do not leave Holland to go into the winter mountains.
I get the convenience aspect. But with a Porsche, this makes no sense to me.

 

[bastiaan]

Omdat ik lui ben ?

I don't go into the mountains, and there is hardly snow here. So I think I will be fine in that regard. I realise they won't drive as sporty as summer tyres, but I was under the impression that all seasons are actually pretty good allround nowadays, and you don't give up much.

Your experience is different?

 

[Throb]

I've been living in the Netherlands for 23 years and I've never had winter tyres on any car, and I do lots of cross-European driving. And I certainly wouldn't be putting them on a Taycan, especially not a GTS ST which has 4WD anyway.

All season tyres are the worst of both worlds. Noisy in the summer and not as good as winter tyres in the winter. I live in Limburg and we've barely had any snow in the last five years.

Do not bother.

I have a GTS ST also.

 

[chun]

Winter tires are not about "snow driving". They are about driving in a cold morning, on a clean road, which due to the humidity from overnight has a very thin layer of ice, and winter tires make it so you stay on the road and not in a ditch.

I would NEVER put all season tires on anyone's car i care about that's living in europe. Maybe if you lived in south of Spain, when in winter temps don't hit 0; but anywhere else I would never use all seasons.

Taycan is a heavy car, with very high acceleartion, so very very high chance of slipping on the most mild winter roads. I would never put all season tires.

Think about it like this; would you rather pay 600-900 once every 2 winters, or risk paying 30-40.000 if you crash it / 1000 extra in insurance yearly if you crash it.

 

[Scandinavian]

The new All season tyres have been improved quite a lot, but they are nowhere as good as dedicated summer and winter tyres. It is a compromise, quite a big one, in my view. But if you realise that and take it into consideration…..??

They will be noisier in summer, not as good at stopping when wet (NL is quite wet from my experience) and nowhere as good as dedicated winter tyres. And they wear quite a lot in summer temperatures, due to the softer rubber.

I also do not understand one would buy a Taycan GTS, likely 100 k euro, and then not spend some money on the only thing between the car and the road. Makes no sense at all to me. Why buy a high performance sport saloon when driving it like a Lada?

 

[bastiaan]

Thanks for all the replies! Quite a polarizing topic

I find it hard to justify bashing all seasons and drive summers in winter instead — that sound super dangerous especially with a car as heavy and fast as a taycan gts.

Maybe I should suck it up and buy an extra set of wheels for winter. It’s not the money per se, but more the hassle of having them changed twice a year. Haven’t we all got enough crap to think about?

 

[gtm]

Thanks for all the replies! Quite a polarizing topic

I find it hard to justify bashing all seasons and drive summers in winter instead — that sound super dangerous especially with a car as heavy and fast as a taycan gts.

Maybe I should suck it up and buy an extra set of wheels for winter. It’s not the money per se, but more the hassle of having them changed twice a year. Haven’t we all got enough crap to think about?

A little info on the danger of using a summer tire in the winter. It's the chemical change that occurs in the rubber at even moderately cold temps that is the problem. Even a perfectly dry, cold road surface could be a problem.

https://www.tirerack.com/upgrade-garage/can-i-drive-summer-performance-tires-in-cold-temperatures

 

[Vercingetorix]

I don’t think Europe gets the UHP All Season tires we get here in the USA. A tire like the DWS 06+ or Pilot Sport All Season 4 would probably be ideal in the Netherlands. Unfortunately that doesn’t help with not having the proper sizes.

 

[Throb]

Why buy a high performance sport saloon when driving it like a Lada?

Because it's only cold for a few months of the year. He lives in Holland, not The Alps.

 

[chun]

Because it's only cold for a few months of the year. He lives in Holland, not The Alps.

And in those few months, you can still go off the road All it takes in fact is 1 second of slippage on a slightly frozen road in a 0 degree morning

 

[Throb]

And in those few months, you can still go off the road All it takes in fact is 1 second of slippage on a slightly frozen road in a 0 degree morning

And yet in 23-years I've never fitted winter tyres on any of my cars, including several M3s, other RWD cars, several Porsches, and an R8. Drive appropriately for the conditions and there is no need for winter tyres in Holland. There are many people who don't fit them and they're not driving off the road.

It isn't Switzerland.

 

[chun]

And yet in 23-years I've never fitted winter tyres on any of my cars, including several M3s, other RWD cars, several Porsches, and an R8. Drive appropriately for the conditions and there is no need for winter tyres in Holland. There are many people who don't fit them and they're not driving off the road.

It isn't Switzerland.

Until someone brake checks you. Or an accident happens in front. Or a deer / cat /dog jumps in front and you hard pull on the steering wheel. Or you hit a pothole and you lose control. Any of these can results in fatal accidents, if the tire won't have enough grip following any of those incidents.

But yes, congrats on your anecdotal 23 years of good luck. Meanwhile science says all season wheels are shit and unsafe outside of very specific regions.

Holland is not south of spain, it will snow, it will be close to 0 degrees in the morning Hell, it's enough to rain a bit harder, and you might end up crashing with those kinds of tires, as they are quite a lot worse on wet surfaces

 

[Scandinavian]

Because it's only cold for a few months of the year. He lives in Holland, not The Alps.

I know!

I guess there still are times when the temperature is below 7C. And at those temperature summer tyres are out of their comfort zones. And some high performance summer tyres even come with a warning about using them below 7C. I think it was called cold cracking?



I have also a few times come with the ferry from the Uk in late April and there was sleet and snow on the main roads. Very slippery. So there is snow and certainly temperatures below 7C.

But it is everybody’s choice.

 

[Vercingetorix]

No snow, no snow tires. And the AS4+ destroys the CC2 in everything but snow and ice.

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