Next gen (second generation) Taycan platform is "locked" and coming late 2027

[MissionE]

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[MissionE]

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[Fun TC Driving]

Interesting info for sure. Thank you. What please is the source of that major information? Reason I ask is that as you know Porsche works typically on a four model year cycle, so with J1.2 being a 2025, that would if that typical pattern were repeated, would not result in a major change for the Taycan until the 2029 model year. Also if TheDrive report that 2027 brings forth both a Taycan virutal sound-and-torque gearing feel PDK and additionally major new software updates turns out to be correct, more big changes just the following, 2028 model year seems even more unlikely.

 

[jk981]

Image is from https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/features/car-culture/porsche-museum-review/ (2020 article) with no caption fyi

 

[MissionE]

Interesting info for sure. Thank you. What please is the source of that major information? Reason I ask is that as you know Porsche works typically on a four model year cycle, so with J1.2 being a 2025, that would if that typical pattern were repeated, would not result in a major change for the Taycan until the 2029 model year. Also if TheDrive report that 2027 brings forth both a Taycan virutal sound-and-torque gearing feel PDK and additionally major new software updates turns out to be correct, more big changes just the following, 2028 model year seems even more unlikely.

.2 models typically only last a couple of years, with the total lifecycle of the range being around 7 years.

 

[Bognar67]

.2 models typically only last a couple of years, with the total lifecycle of the range being around 7 years.

+1: Late 2027 reveal is a MY2028 car. Taking the fact of that first J1.1 cars are MY2020 it is already a stretched model cycle.
J1.2 is a 2025-26-27 car that is normal.

 

[Freeewilly]

Porsche locked MY2028 in early 2026, so no major design change for next 1.5 years. It already outdated by the time they released it in late 2027. This is why Porsche is losing to new start up car companies.

 

[MissionE]

+1: Late 2027 reveal is a MY2028 car. Taking the fact of that first J1.1 cars are MY2020 it is already a stretched model cycle.
J1.2 is a 2025-26-27 car that is normal.

That’s 3 years after a 5 year run on the 1.1, so yeah…just a few years for the face lift, then a new model.

 

[prj]

8 year cycle is completely standard for Porsche, so after the 8 years it would be either taken out of production or the next gen would take it's place.

That said, from a BEV perspective because they updated the rear motor to the PPE variant and the new battery, the J1.2 is very much state of the art powertrain wise. If you think about what usually gets changed on the facelift the J1.2 is a massive update on the stuff that really matters.

The difference between e.g. a 991.1 and 992.2 is much more subtle in comparison.

 

[MissionE]

8 year cycle is completely standard for Porsche, so after the 8 years it would be either taken out of production or the next gen would take it's place.

That said, from a BEV perspective because they updated the rear motor to the PPE variant and the new battery, the J1.2 is very much state of the art powertrain wise. If you think about what usually gets changed on the facelift the J1.2 is a massive update on the stuff that really matters.

The difference between e.g. a 991.1 and 992.2 is much more subtle in comparison.

Taycan debuted in 2019, so yes, it will be due a completely new generation by 27/28. And the bodily and interior changes on Taycan were much more subtle than 992.2 [itself due a new gen around the same time.]

 

[prj]

Taycan debuted in 2019, so yes, it will be due a completely new generation by 27/28. And the bodily and interior changes on Taycan were much more subtle than 992.2 [itself due a new gen around the same time.]

The body and interior changes are the really cheap part.
Engineering the whole new motor into the back, making PAR work, creating a battery with an updated chemistry, re-engineering the battery heater, improving the efficiency and so on - this is much more expensive than making some visual changes.

In that regard the only thing on the 991.2 really deserving attention is the T-Hybrid system on the GTS and up, the rest is minor fluff compared to that.

 

[MissionE]

The body and interior changes are the really cheap part.
Engineering the whole new motor into the back, making PAR work, creating a battery with an updated chemistry, re-engineering the battery heater, improving the efficiency and so on - this is much more expensive than making some visual changes.

In that regard the only thing on the 991.2 really deserving attention is the T-Hybrid system on the GTS and up, the rest is minor fluff compared to that.

Correct, major aesthetic changes denoting a next generation.

 

[chun]

I'm not sure what makes you or Porsche think that a shared platform will be competitive with full EV platforms from: mercedes or BMW. In terms of tech that matters in big cars, BMW is already ahead.
Mercedes's full EV, vertically integrated platform is around the corner.

And by that time multiple chinese brands will be in europe, with full EV platforms.

Having the taycan on a shared platform with the panamera I think is a horrible decision. It will result in the taycan being even less of a sporty 4 door EV, with the same or worse space issues.
It's a joke that they have access to Rimac and they make 0 use of it, albeit the big new motor in the Cayenne seems to draw inspiration.

But that's my opinion.

And in terms of looks, taycan already looked as good as it can at that price point. They won't put suicide doors or butterfly doors or whatever in a mass produced 4 door sedan starting at 100k by that point. So that's hardly a driving force. And wouldn't expect any big changes anyway, since Porsche's design team is asleep, releasing the same design on the 911 for 15 years+.

 

[prj]

I'm not sure what makes you or Porsche think that a shared platform will be competitive with full EV platforms

I think you misunderstand what "shared" meant here. Shared means a bespoke BEV platform shared between the Panamera and the Taycan.

I don't think the current (2024-) Panamera will have anything to do with it whatsoever. In the same way that the new Cayenne Electric has absolutely nothing to do with the ICE Cayenne.

So what is meant here probably is that they are making a completely new platform to power the next gen Panamera BEV and Taycan BEV.

As to how competitive it will be - time will tell. Remember, the Taycan is basically a 7 year old platform at this point.
However, the battery is not really 7 years old and the motors aren't either. Those are state of the art for VAG, and BMW is ahead on that, I am sure MB will be too.

 

[chun]

I think you misunderstand what "shared" meant here. Shared means a bespoke BEV platform shared between the Panamera and the Taycan.

I don't think the current (2024-) Panamera will have anything to do with it whatsoever. In the same way that the new Cayenne Electric has absolutely nothing to do with the ICE Cayenne.

So what is meant here probably is that they are making a completely new platform to power the next gen Panamera BEV and Taycan BEV.

As to how competitive it will be - time will tell. Remember, the Taycan is basically a 7 year old platform at this point.
However, the battery is not really 7 years old and the motors aren't either. Those are state of the art for VAG, and BMW is ahead on that, I am sure MB will be too.

There is no planned EV Panamera in the slides from Mr Porsche, only hybrid and ICE (up until 2030, when the plans stop)

So it very much is a shared platform with an ICE car, not a bespoke EV one.

I could be wrong, but based on the slides from Porsche, panamera is not going to be an EV, so a shared platform means a platform that can accomodate a v4/v6, a drive shaft, same old shit 40 ECUs, a fuel tank + space for HV battery in the floor. And definitely still a 12v battery to power all the electronics.

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