Next gen (second generation) Taycan platform is "locked" and coming late 2027

[69Mach390]

Solar on cars.

Ah, that’s even worse. It’s been tried, but even in full summer sun only adds a few miles of range per day. Fisker Ocean for example adds 4 miles per day.

There’s good reason it’s not being used on other EVs. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze. Car just plain doesn’t have enough surface area for it to be meaningful.

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[MissionE]

Wireless highway charging attached to large solar fields?

Would be neat if someone else pays for it. It also charges way too slow. Adding 4 mph of range when driving 80 mph doesn’t do much.

Or, I just got back from Switzerland. Super impressed with their electric trains, wouldn’t even need to charge if cars worked like my 1980s electric “race car track,” except those kept crashing on corners.




But still is a technology and infrastructure cost issue and won’t happen by 2035.

cars.

Ok I am just a politically brainwashed human being by the amplified media but still can’t get how will Porsche sell 90% BEV in 2035 from their formalising product portfolio that will be ca. 90% ICE/hybrid around 2030 stil.
Or with other approach how seriously they take the ban now.

Ah, that’s even worse. It’s been tried, but even in full summer sun only adds a few miles of range per day. Fisker Ocean for example adds 4 miles per day.

There’s good reason it’s not being used on other EVs. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze. Car just plain doesn’t have enough surface area for it to be meaningful.

How's Gentian doing, btw. Great colour.

 

[69Mach390]

How's Gentian doing, btw. Great colour.

Beautiful, but shows everything (dust, surface scratches in the sun).

I sucked it up and did paint correction and a ceramic coat. Now I have to commit to keeping it clean.

 

[feye]

It is a stupid decision driven by propaganda and misinformation and thinking they can get away with limiting investment IMO.

Unfortunately, because it will hurt them in the long run!

An electric motor is superior to a piston engine in every objective way and whilst I don't think there will be a battery "revolution" any time soon (it took 100 years to get from Ferdinand Porsche's first EV design to the Taycan) it has accelerated in the last 5 or 10 years and that is the weakest technical link in an EV.

I don't think the battery is the weakest technical link in EVs. Batteries are already cheap, safe, and long-lasting, and they keep getting better. This is no longer the real issue - it’s already a thing of the past.

The weak link is AI usage, especially in autonomous driving. I see so many autonomous vehicles in China now - just within one year - shocking. Small delivery vehicles, large delivery vehicles, taxis - all fully autonomous.

Last month we got our Huawei Maextro S800. My wife gets in, sets the navigation to work, presses a button on the steering wheel, and the car drives her all the way to her parking spot at the office. Almost no intervention is needed, and she’s mostly texting and talking while the car is driving. She loves it.

This really only works with EVs; a pure ICE vehicle is essentially useless for this. The Western car industry is facing a double whammy: batteries and AI with much much better price!

 

[feye]

EU car factories will make more and more ICE behind the curtains of the magical word 'hybrid' (mild-hybrid, full hybrid, t-hybrid, k-e-x-y-z whatever kind of hybrid) otherwise this EU industry collapses under the pressure of Asian BEVs.
The world is still very interested in ICE from traditional EU auto makers (especially in the sport and luxury segments) but definitely not for BEV.
EU factories are turning back to ICE now faster than a blink of an eye.

I don't think so, and it is NOT what the "world" wants. The world wants cheap transport and the BEV is now unbeatable, particularly if you have solar on your shed to charge for free.

 

[f1eng]

I don't think the battery is the weakest technical link in EVs. Batteries are already cheap, safe, and long-lasting, and they keep getting better. This is no longer the real issue - it’s already a thing of the past.

The weak link is AI usage, especially in autonomous driving. I see so many autonomous vehicles in China now - just within one year - shocking. Small delivery vehicles, large delivery vehicles, taxis - all fully autonomous.

Batteries are not what I would consider cheap yet though lohg lasting and safe, yes.

AI usage is not for me anyway, I am a nervous passenger and experienced driver and even find adaptive cruise control too dumb to use...
I understand an attraction if you are unlucky enough to have a boring commute in high density traffic, but I have made sure I pretty well never have to suffer travelling on congested motorways.
I drive mainly country roads with light traffic and an autonomous vehicle for that would be purgatory.

 

[f1eng]

On EVs (A to B) in general maybe but driving enthusiasts want ICE. Being young or old. Most of Porsche buyers want excitement on first place. Porsche in it deeply.

I am a driving enthusiast and my Ferrari has been in storage since I had my Taycan a year, even though it is actually one of the tiny minority of piston engined cars which makes an exciting noise
If you do track days, yes a piston engined car will be lighter, hence faster, but the power bandwidth is still poor.
The biggest advantage of the Taycan on normal roads is instant response for overtaking.

 

[Dabz]

The biggest advantage of the Taycan on normal roads is instant response for overtaking.

I've read that the new t-hybrid in the 911 GTS gives "EV-like acceleration". Has anyone here driven it to compare? I suspect what it actually does is remove turbo lag to make the acceleration feel faster vs a normal turbo ICE rather than competing with an EV's instant power

 

[f1eng]

I've read that the new t-hybrid in the 911 GTS gives "EV-like acceleration". Has anyone here driven it to compare? I suspect what it actually does is remove turbo lag to make the acceleration feel faster vs a normal turbo ICE rather than competing with an EV's instant power

The t-hybrid system is like the (banned from 2026) Formula 1 PU system and it does give EV like throttle response but not the wide power band so still needs lots of gear ratios to match the poor power bandwidth to the road speed.

Personally it is the only turbo engine system I would consider but, as I wrote, my only interest in a piston engined car is for the track.

 

[prj]

I've read that the new t-hybrid in the 911 GTS gives "EV-like acceleration". Has anyone here driven it to compare? I suspect what it actually does is remove turbo lag to make the acceleration feel faster vs a normal turbo ICE rather than competing with an EV's instant power

I agree with that assessment having driven it on the track. Feels like an EV from the power delivery as long as you're in the right gear.

Ok I am just a politically brainwashed human being by the amplified media but still can’t get how will Porsche sell 90% BEV in 2035 from their formalising product portfolio that will be ca. 90% ICE/hybrid around 2030 stil.
Or with other approach how seriously they take the ban now.

There is 5 years until 2035 and EU is not the only market.
If you noticed then all 718 models (except GT4RS) and also the ICE macan haven't been on sale in EU in the past couple years, but they were sold everywhere else.

 

[Dabz]

I agree with that assessment having driven it on the track. Feels like an EV from the power delivery as long as you're in the right gear.

urgh I fear you may have just cost me £140k, I’m surely tempted to get one if it gives EV style acceleration with the size and noise of the 911

 

[prj]

urgh I fear you may have just cost me £140k, I’m surely tempted to get one if it gives EV style acceleration with the size and noise of the 911

If you like the 911 and have the disposable income, do it. I loved the responsiveness of the car.
It's not nearly as quick as my Turbo S was in a straight line, but that really didn't matter to me on the track.

I'm sure you can find one to test drive at a dealer though?

 

[Bognar67]

urgh I fear you may have just cost me £140k, I’m surely tempted to get one if it gives EV style acceleration with the size and noise of the 911

Unfortunately the noise is not so good (GTS). This is the first Porsche that helps to make it up by the speakers. It is a no go for lots of enthusiasts next to the very complicated system. There is no driving belt, the water pump, the AC compressor are electric, and no starter motor (but has 12V batt as well). IF the 2,1kW HV battery dies, bricked. Also need to restart and drive the car about every 2 months to recharge the HV battery (no other way). If the HV battery discharged the car needs to tow to the official service, etc.

Anyway 'instant' acceleration is there even in the turbocharged 911 if you in the right gear with spooling turbocharger. Each has its own character, I never felt in my any 911 I have a significant disadvantage to overtake compare to my Taycan. Need to be in a right gear and right throttle handling. Pure enjoyment. Although Taycan has immediate 'everything' that not means that car is the most enjoyable. Especially the opposite.

Anyway the GTS is a fantastic car, and its tech maybe to only way to pass the regulations and keep 911 ICE for a while. The new 911 Turbo/S uses the same technology with 2 turbo chargers, so the Base and the S are the only-Turbo cars.
Dealerships are loaded with unsold GTSs, though.

 

[Dabz]

Unfortunately the noise is not so good (GTS). This is the first Porsche that helps to make it up by the speakers. It is a no go for lots of enthusiasts next to the very complicated system. There is no driving belt, the water pump, the AC compressor are electric, and no starter motor (but has 12V batt as well). IF the 2,1kW HV battery dies, bricked. Also need to restart and drive the car about every 2 weeks to recharge the HV battery (no other way). If the HV battery discharged the car needs to tow to the official service, etc.

Anyway 'instant' acceleration is there even in the turbocharged 911 if you in the right gear with spooling turbocharger. Each has its own character, I never felt in my any 911 I have a significant disadvantage to overtake compare to my Taycan. Need to be in a right gear and right throttle handling. Pure enjoyment. Although Taycan has immediate 'everything' that not means that car is the most enjoyable. Especially the opposite.

Anyway the GTS is a fantastic car, and its tech maybe to only way to pass the regulations and keep 911 ICE for a while. The new 911 Turbo/S uses the same technology with 2 turbo chargers, so the Base and the S are the only Turbo cars.
Dealerships are loaded with unsold GTS, though.

this is excellent info, thank you (conscious I’m now taking the thread off topic!). That’s feedback I hadn’t heard elsewhere

 

[prj]

Anyway 'instant' acceleration is there even in the turbocharged 911

Does not sound like you've driven the new GTS.
It's not even close in response. It's even more responsive than a NA car.

Also need to restart and drive the car about every 2 weeks to recharge the HV battery (no other way).

This is just flat out wrong. There is nothing in the car that drains the HV battery at all when it's stationary, and the self discharge is miniscule.
You never need to charge it or worry about it. Same like every other hybrid that exists in the world... just not a thing.

By your logic I would need to plug in my boat every winter when it's in storage for 6 months because it has lithium batteries. But I never do that and it loses only a few % of charge over the winter, this is no different.

The only thing that is special about the car is the 400 volt turbocharger. This is new technology and no idea how it holds up. Especially with lambda 1 concept the EGT is very high all the time.
But the motor inside the PDK etc, all that is already since more than 10 years in the Panamera, and there is not really any problems with that.

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