Stick or Twist? Do I get a replacment Taycan or look elsewhere...

[KLHubb]

I leased my 2020 4S in 09/2020 and bought it in 09/2023.
I have had zero issues, save those of my own doing.
I bought Porsche maintenance insurance upon purchase for peace of mind.
I love the car and will keep it as long as I can.

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[freeforall]

I have a MY23, I only had one problem which was the failure of the onboard charger (22kw). However, the communication from the dealer was excellent, and the repairs were done in less than a week during which they also did the heater recall (it never failed in my case) and the brake recall, and the 2 years service.
In 2+ years ownership and 26k km, I am overall happy given the smile that this car gives me everyday.

 

[Timeto]

It's so good to hear positive ownership stories. As has been said by many, these forums do tend to skew views due to most posts only raising problems. I'm starting to feel slightly more in favour of keeping my car (if Porsche can resolve all the issues...)

 

[Garydotka]

Most of the taycans sold before 2025 will have that recall or some other similar recall.
All in all there are 4-5 battery recalls, each covering 10-20k cars. Porsche sold only so many taycans, so most of them have battery issues.
The lucky ones that don't have a recall yet, are just that, lucky. It will come

I had PCNA buy-back my '22 Taycan. I had hoped that by waiting for the third year of the model (a '22), that the bugs would be worked-out. Not so. I would buy another Taycan (I loved it, when it ran) but I'm going to wait for the full version 2.0 Taycan to arrive . '27? '28? dunno. Better yet, a PHEV Taycan would really fit my bill. I've learned the hard way, especially in the last 5 years of new car buys: the probability of a lot of recalls and time-in-the-shop grows significantly with the amount of new tech in a new model. The Taycan is/was loaded with it. Hardware and software. Nearly everything that has aggrevated too many of us Taycan owners has been technology issues. The chassis frame, drive train (electric motors), suspension, steering, and body are pretty much flawless. But not the battery, charging, and a multitude of software/controls. IMO the reality is its a "buyer beware" world for any new model, new tech EV ...no matter the brand. I do give credit to Porsche that they atleast stand behind their brand - with loaners, no charge repairs, and on occassion a buy-back - and will 'make things right' for their Customers that unfortunately get saddled with 'Beta' cars that show their ills - which can mean months and months in the dealer's service corral.

 

[Hirschaj]

I've had my 22 CT4 for a little over 2 years. It has only been to the dealership a couple of times to get recall work done and to clean the door seals that were turning green for some reason. Total time at dealership over 2 years was 1-2 weeks since I grouped together most recall work into 2 separate visits. I absolutely love this car and I can't think of another I'd want to own at the moment.

 

[snstevens]

Just spoken to different dealer about a replacement Taycan. Gen 1 MY23 - has the ARB6 recall. Porsche are trying to sell a car that can't be charged to over 80% and near any buildings. How is this possible...!

No one from Porsche has said a Taycan with an ARB6 recall can't be "near any buildings". I'm not sure where you heard that. See this post on the ARB6 & ARB7 thread to get my full perspective.

I leased my 2020 4s for one year until someone hit me and the frame was twisted beyond repair spec. I ordered a 2021 4s and have been driving it happily ever since. Of course I had the Heater Failure (most of us have), but other than that the car has only gone in for routine maintenance and a couple of recalls (same day service every time). I purchased the 2021 4s off of lease because I liked it so much. Took my youngest son to PECLA for the 718 drivers series over 2 days, and part of that was driving a GT4-RS and Taycan 4s in the same afternoon. They were both a kick to drive, just much quieter in the Taycan.

Best car I've ever driven. Best car I've ever owned. But to each their own...

 

[RGBArgee]

After buying a Taycan last year, whilst being an absolute blast to drive, I only had it for two weeks, as the rest of the time it has been at the Porsche service centre with a multitude of issues ranging that has resulted in me requesting Porsche take the car back.

The question is, do I stick with going for another Taycan (they can't all be as bad as my experience suggests, can they?) or accept that they are worse than a Range Rover for reliability (been there, got the battle scars and vowed never to purchase another one again) and go for something different - Audi perhaps?

Thoughts?

I was in the same position as you in 2022 - my first 4S CT was eventually replaced with a new similar model in March 23 - far fewer problems for 18 months but now have rattles from rear and unable to use for a month when alarm went off and remote key didn’t work . This happened twice- Porsche assistance cleared multiple error codes and dealer can’t find. Fault - I’ve lost the love now. Would I buy another- depends on if you need an EV for financial/tax reasons as I did - if so yes - if not I’d love to have my B9 RS4 back!

 

[f1eng]

Long term reliability was the final reason I dropped thinking about Panamera Hybrids. Checked the amount of technology and how it was packed and planning how I will fix it when the car is 10 years old? (yes - no new car every year..)
Decided to go for more simple solution ie. battery and motor with some electronics for speed control. Simple and easy. It seems it was not so simple..

There's now lots of discussion about the hybrids - which are very common here - and they are getting more kilometers. Turns out the battery life is not very good. After some 50 - 150 t km's many hybrid batteries are failing. This is because you typically use the whole battery energy 100 to 0 in commuting some 50km's, charge at work from 0 to 100 and back home. So you may have 2 full battery cycles every day while with BEV you may have one or two per week!

Surprisingly one of the worst is Panamera. Battery costs tens of thousands euros and modules may not be available or changeable. Battery price may exceed car value. Great.

BMW, MB and Volvo are not much better either but a bit more reasonable battery prices.

The problem with reliability is to get widely applicable data rather than a few anecdotes.
With road tests you get a short time and a particular opinion of an experienced car enthusiast not necessarily from somebody technically knowledgeable.

The only simple and technically elegant hybrid system I know of is the Toyota system. All the rest are complex and heavy to varying degrees.

I bought a Prius in 2005 whilst I was back at Williams Formula 1 as an adviser because I was intrigued by the mechanical design and interested to experience their CVT system. I know how much superior to a normal gearbox a CVT is, so am unswayed by the fact it is "different" unlike every road tester I have read.
In fact I did not expect to keep it long, it wasn't very sporty and all the specialist motoring press slagged it off. Now I pay very much less attention to the opinions of the motoring press...

Anyway I liked it and we have had at least one Prius in the family ever since and, now I get to the point of the story ,that one, coming up to 20 years old is still in daily use by its current owner and still has the same traction battery.
So battery life certainly can be long, it probably depends on both the battery design, mounting and the charging control system.

I later met engineers from Toyota whilst I was a consultant trying to advise their F1 team and they explained the objective of the Prius was less pollution in town the excellent fuel consumption was a side effect used in marketing.

I did consider the Panamera Sport Turismo hybrid in 2018 but its size and complexity, it weighed 600kg more than the Prius PHEV, meant I could not bring myself to award them with any of my money!

 

[Fish Fingers]

From my experience on this forum, I think dealer experience is generally quite geographically sensitive.

It certainly seems US members 'overall' can have a better/faster dealer experience than UK members.
Not always, as parts sometimes seem slower to get stateside.

I sold my Taycan when I was given a 3 month wait to even get the car looked at for a major problem last year. No loaner available.
Eventually it completely failed (again) and was flatbedded in.

As OP is UK based, I would suggest he mainly concentrates on feedback from UK members here due to this disparity.

 

[whitex]

I later met engineers from Toyota whilst I was a consultant trying to advise their F1 team and they explained the objective of the Prius was less pollution in town the excellent fuel consumption was a side effect used in marketing.

I find the claim that they did not plan for improved fuel consumption a bit puzzling, as you'd think the goal of less pollution is to burn less fuel, so less pollution per mile seems equivalent to less fuel burned per mile. Did they think they could get less pollution without cutting fuel consumption using the hybrid system? It would be like saying someone set out to spend less money, and the side effect was that they got to keep more of their earned money.

 

[f1eng]

I find the claim that they did not plan for improved fuel consumption a bit puzzling, as you'd think the goal of less pollution is to burn less fuel, so less pollution per mile seems equivalent to less fuel burned per mile. Did they think they could get less pollution without cutting fuel consumption using the hybrid system? It would be like saying someone set out to spend less money, and the side effect was that they got to keep more of their earned money.

Well obviously!

The OBJECTIVE was to reduce pollution in town.

The side effect of the fuel consumption probably being better would have been no surprise to the engineers, but it wasn't the reason it was done.

I wouldn't have thought that was hard to understand - or the fact that marketing people would leap on better fuel consumption as a feature to sell, given how many people seem not to give a tuppeny f*ck about pollution.

 

[whitex]

Well obviously!

The OBJECTIVE was to reduce pollution in town.

The side effect of the fuel consumption probably being better would have been no surprise to the engineers, but it wasn't the reason it was done.

I wouldn't have thought that was hard to understand - or the fact that marketing people would leap on better fuel consumption as a feature to sell, given how many people seem not to give a tuppeny f*ck about pollution.

Who in the company (presumably not marketing) set the goal of less pollution? And if that was the goal, wouldn't alternative fuels be in play as well? BEV's pollute even less per mile, even plug-in hybrids pollute less than non-plug-in versions, yet Toyota resisted even the plug-in hybrid for a long time.

 

[f1eng]

Who in the company (presumably not marketing) set the goal of less pollution? And if that was the goal, wouldn't alternative fuels be in play as well? BEV's pollute even less per mile, even plug-in hybrids pollute less than non-plug-in versions, yet Toyota resisted even the plug-in hybrid for a long time.

No idea it was over 30 years ago.

 

[whitex]

No idea it was over 30 years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you that the Toyota hybrid system is a marvel of engineering. I owned a Lexus hybrid myself before I switched to BEV's, heck if Toyota had BEV's in 2013 I almost certainly would have owned at least one of them - tried for Rav4EV with Tesla drivetrain and batteries, but was not available in my state, as it was a California compliance car only. I just don't buy that the company was pushing for less pollution and somehow marketing stumbled on the better mileage and decided to market it. That said, what surprised me the most Toyota's reluctance on plug-in hybrid (Lexus never offered one until 2022), and BEV vehicles (they had compliance BEV cars as early as 1997, in 2012 they had ones with Tesla drivetrain). If less pollution was the primary, overarching goal, they should have gone there.

 

[Timeto]

No one from Porsche has said a Taycan with an ARB6 recall can't be "near any buildings". I'm not sure where you heard that. See this post on the ARB6 & ARB7 thread to get my full perspective.

I leased my 2020 4s for one year until someone hit me and the frame was twisted beyond repair spec. I ordered a 2021 4s and have been driving it happily ever since. Of course I had the Heater Failure (most of us have), but other than that the car has only gone in for routine maintenance and a couple of recalls (same day service every time). I purchased the 2021 4s off of lease because I liked it so much. Took my youngest son to PECLA for the 718 drivers series over 2 days, and part of that was driving a GT4-RS and Taycan 4s in the same afternoon. They were both a kick to drive, just much quieter in the Taycan.

Best car I've ever driven. Best car I've ever owned. But to each their own...

The confirmation 'not to charge near buildings' was a direct quote from the Porsche dealer...

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