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Also 718 EV is not discontinued and will go on to production.

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtsch...n-gegen-wohlstandserosion-accg-201075227.html

-The Group is highly complex. Take the entry-level model, for example: you wanted to scrap the electric 718. But because Audi needs the technical platform for this car for one of its own models, it’s now going ahead after all.

I always look at every project first and foremost from a Porsche perspective: does it make economic sense or not? Only then do potential synergies within the Group come into play. In the case of the electric 718, we have come to the conclusion that we will build the model – because it is the best solution economically and will be a fantastic car.

-Above the 911, you want to develop a new supercar; above the Cayenne, a large SUV. But shouldn’t you also be discontinuing some models? When will you discontinue the unsuccessful Taycan?

Streamlining the model range does not necessarily mean discontinuing entire model series. Often, it’s also a matter of phasing out variants. We’ve already started doing that. With the Taycan, we’ll further reduce the number of models and thus cut down on complexity. We have no plans to discontinue the Taycan in the short term. We’ve invested heavily in the model and want to monitor how demand develops.

-The electric Cayenne is now also going on sale. In which markets is such an electric supercar, with entry-level prices above 100,000 euros, actually saleable?

The most important market for the electric Cayenne is Europe. We are very pleased with the order intake. Should we go ahead with our plan to add an SUV positioned above the Cayenne to the range, then the United States will certainly be the most important market for this model. The roadscape there has continued to change, and there are significantly larger vehicles than the Cayenne on the roads there. US customers want larger cars – which presents us with the opportunity to offer something quintessentially Porsche.
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Interesting. I wonder if they will reintroduce Turismos back to US.
 


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Maybe? Seems more likely to mean the end of the line for wagons outside of the US though (“phasing out variants”).
Exactly.

Though I guess type approvals etc differ by country. So even removing a body type for one market may save money/hassle.

Can't see why they'd reintroduce the ST in the US on that basis.
 


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Not surprising that they will introduce the 718. Nearly all of the non-recurring costs are sunk into the program. Would be an expensive charge to take if they canceled it.

As for Taycan, we'll have to see where they go with investment dollars. Will take more than a fancy noise box to make this product financially viable for future.....
 

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Happy to hear the 718 EV is moving forward. I have high expectations for what Porsche will be able to achieve in terms of driving engagement and general desirability. It will be a segment-defining vehicle and, I expect, a commercial success so long as their pricing is somewhat realistic.
 

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Happy to hear the 718 EV is moving forward. I have high expectations for what Porsche will be able to achieve in terms of driving engagement and general desirability. It will be a segment-defining vehicle and, I expect, a commercial success so long as their pricing is somewhat realistic.
And if it beats a Corvette EV to market.

Not sure why Chevy is dragging their feet on that one too.

We have dozens of 500-1000+ hp EVs to pick from, and almost all of them are sedans and SUVs.

Did it never occur to car companies to put a bunch of horsepower in a sports car?!?!
 

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And if it beats a Corvette EV to market.

Not sure why Chevy is dragging their feet on that one too.

We have dozens of 500-1000+ hp EVs to pick from, and almost all of them are sedans and SUVs.

Did it never occur to car companies to put a bunch of horsepower in a sports car?!?!
Volume for battery with decent range and the proper seating position for sports car, while keeping it light as possible. None of these are a much of concern for sedans and SUVs.

Most EVs hae a skateboard battery arrangement resulting in higher than desired driver's seating position. The A110 has placed large amount of battery modules where the ICE would go and a thin skateboard under the floor giving weight distribution similar to a mid-engined sports car.

I'd read while back that Porsche 718EV was targeting at least 200 miles and the less than 3,600 lbs....

I was waiting for the 718EV to be produced for several years since the original Mission R chatter. Porsche kept kicking the can down the road too many times so I went to a different direction. Got tired of waiting.
 

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Volume for battery with decent range and the proper seating position for sports car, while keeping it light as possible. None of these are a much of concern for sedans and SUVs.

Most EVs hae a skateboard battery arrangement resulting in higher than desired driver's seating position. The A110 has placed large amount of battery modules where the ICE would go and a thin skateboard under the floor giving weight distribution similar to a mid-engined sports car.

I'd read while back that Porsche 718EV was targeting at least 200 miles and the less than 3,600 lbs....

I was waiting for the 718EV to be produced for several years since the original Mission R chatter. Porsche kept kicking the can down the road too many times so I went to a different direction. Got tired of waiting.
Those really aren’t huge issues. Most of the existing sedans could have been made into cool looking coupes of the same size with great performance.

Low weight isn’t really necessary for high performance in an EV due to the low center of gravity and massive horsepower.

Fun fact- when my last car (Mustang Mach E GTPE) came out in 2021- it had the highest skidpad handling of any SUV…… except the Lamborghini…… despite weighing 5,000 lbs and have only ok and somewhat skinny tires. Put the same wheels/tires as the Lambo and it might have been #1.
 

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Those really aren’t huge issues. Most of the existing sedans could have been made into cool looking coupes of the same size with great performance.

Low weight isn’t really necessary for high performance in an EV due to the low center of gravity and massive horsepower.

Fun fact- when my last car (Mustang Mach E GTPE) came out in 2021- it had the highest skidpad handling of any SUV…… except the Lamborghini…… despite weighing 5,000 lbs and have only ok and somewhat skinny tires. Put the same wheels/tires as the Lambo and it might have been #1.
I get it. Since Corvette and 718 were mentioned in your earlier post, I thought the context was a 2-seater sports car and not 2 door coupe version of sedan-based (e.g., Mustang, BMW M's and AMGs) sports cars. I have seen several AI images of 2 door Taycan like this below and while those look nice, I like pure 2-seater agile sports cars

Porsche Taycan Porsche CEO: No Plans to Discontinue Taycan in the Short Term 1785971615641-m0


As for the weight, it does matter regardless of low CG, as physics of motion does depends on the mass involved. Without the low CG, heavy EVs would be a nightmare to drive. The modern tires do wonders to these heavy vehicles.
 

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I get it. Since Corvette and 718 were mentioned in your earlier post, I thought the context was a 2-seater sports car and not 2 door coupe version of sedan-based (e.g., Mustang, BMW M's and AMGs) sports cars. I have seen several AI images of 2 door Taycan like this below and while those look nice, I like pure 2-seater agile sports cars

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As for the weight, it does matter regardless of low CG, as physics of motion does depends on the mass involved. Without the low CG, heavy EVs would be a nightmare to drive. The modern tires do wonders to these heavy vehicles.
I’ll take either (coupe or two seat sports car) in a high powered EV.

I think it’s silly that our 800-1000 hp EVs are sedans, trucks or SUVs. (Except a few exotics).

There is good reason why the 1000+ hp Teslas are getting killed off for low sales. I think car manufacturers forgot who buys what.

I appreciate a good sleeper from time to time, but more people that care about performance also want the car to “look fast.” In addition most EVs design are straight up odd/ugly.

The Taycan, and my Mach E are more rare with performance and good looks.

As far as weight and performance, of course it matters, but I don’t think a performance EV necessarily has to be lightweight. For a comparison, my Mach E Mustang pulled the same skidpad as an ICE Mustang GT….. despite having WORSE tires, weighing 1000 lb more and sitting higher.

Bottom line- I would be much more interested in a Tesla plaid if that drivetrain went into something that resembles what I think of when I hear about a 1000 hp car.

This is what 1000 hp should look like-
Porsche Taycan Porsche CEO: No Plans to Discontinue Taycan in the Short Term IMG_5267
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