$100 says my 2021 has more range than yours

[bluegrassvroom]

well, I guess this is the only upside from having my car at Porsche Service for almost 4 months...

A 2021 4S with a 2025 battery

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[Freeewilly]

You made me go to the garage to take this picture.

 

[800v]

Wow, that is 390mi at 100% ?? Is that even possible on a Taycan? Is this on a J1.2 with 19" aero wheels?

I am quite happy with my Taycan but I get about 230mi at 100% (2020 Turbo S with mission-E wheels)

 

[Freeewilly]

I have J1.2 with 20" Turbo Aero wheels

 

[voksic]

It's possible 🫢

J1.2, 20" with turbo aero wheels. That being said, this was 100% charge after a week of city driving in mild climate. On a motorway it can easily do 500km if one obeys speed limits (100/130kmhh).

 

[chun]

well, I guess this is the only upside from having my car at Porsche Service for almost 4 months...

A 2021 4S with a 2025 battery

Have you noticed any difference in performance? J1.1, the performance goes down quite a bit based on SoC of the battery - you won't get same power at 50% or even at 70% as you did at 95%.
On j1.2 this behavior is mostly gone, mostly due to the new battery.

Any difference in battery per-conditioning? In theory, 15C is enough now for max charging speed. So maybe not needed at all.

Any difference in High speed charging curve? J1.2 batteries are capable of holding 250kw+ all the way to 80%, in what test drives/charging sessions I've done. Does this apply to you also now?

You are the first on the forum to confirm getting a new chemistry battery in a j1.1

Maybe @prj would like some info from your car

 

[B61]

On My long distance drives (about 260 km on AC) with 4S I spent 22 kwh/100km while CT4 J1.1 took 25 kwh…

 

[Ianj75]

Have you noticed any difference in performance? J1.1, the performance goes down quite a bit based on SoC of the battery - you won't get same power at 50% or even at 70% as you did at 95%.
On j1.2 this behavior is mostly gone, mostly due to the new battery.

Any difference in battery per-conditioning? In theory, 15C is enough now for max charging speed. So maybe not needed at all.

Any difference in High speed charging curve? J1.2 batteries are capable of holding 250kw+ all the way to 80%, in what test drives/charging sessions I've done. Does this apply to you also now?

You are the first on the forum to confirm getting a new chemistry battery in a j1.1

Maybe @prj would like some info from your car

I’ve never experienced any loss in power unless I’m at 5%

The grey bar around the power meter shows you when it drops power

 

[chun]

I’ve never experienced any loss in power unless I’m at 5%

The grey bar around the power meter shows you when it drops power

That's bullshit and we have hard proof, graphs and numbers courtesy of @prj.
Power absolutely drops with SoH on j1.1. As soon as 70% SoC, maybe even earlier, can't remember, your max power goes down.
And you can also notice it, it's not unnoticeable, in more spirited driving

 

[Ianj75]

That's bullshit and we have hard proof, graphs and numbers courtesy of @prj.
Power absolutely drops with SoH on j1.1

So how do I still get a 3s launch at 25%?

Or are you taking small % drops? which would make your original question to the OP a bit ambiguous as that would imply he has a fine tuned butt dyno

I must have a special car huh

 

[chun]

So how do I still get a 3s launch at 25%?

Or are you taking small % drops? which would make your original question to the OP a bit ambiguous as that would imply he has a fine tuned butt dyno

I must have a special car huh

Because Porsche always over-delivers on those time metrics. At 100% you'd probably get a better time.

It's just physics. This reduction is due to the battery's voltage decreasing with a lower State of Charge (SoC), which requires higher currents to deliver the same power, resulting in increased losses and reduced efficiency.

The effect is even more pronounced in colder temperatures and can lead to a significant drop in performance, probably close to half the power at below 30% SoH from what I could notice myself.

You don't have a special car, you just don't notice it or you didn't actually pay attention.

And j 1.2 apparently does a much better job, due to the new chemistry.

 

[prj]

So how do I still get a 3s launch at 25%?

Or are you taking small % drops? which would make your original question to the OP a bit ambiguous as that would imply he has a fine tuned butt dyno

I must have a special car huh

You don't get 3s launches on your 4S period.
The specified time for a PBP 4S Sedan is 4.0 seconds 0-100km/h from Porsche.
Even tuned they don't get below 3.3 seconds. ''3s launch" implies 3.0 seconds, which is fantasy land.

At 25% you are at 4 seconds or above.

Use at least a semi-professional tool to measure, like Dragy.

Power wise during normal driving, yes you are probably not going to feel much difference in a stock 4S at 25%, because it is detuned to just 489 PS out of the 800 PS that the battery is capable of anyway. So you don't feel anything until half the power is gone.
But in launch mode it starts to degrade there.

 

[cityhpper]

You don't get 3s launches on your 4S period.
The specified time for a PBP 4S Sedan is 4.0 seconds 0-100km/h from Porsche.
Even tuned they don't get below 3.3 seconds. ''3s launch" implies 3.0 seconds, which is fantasy land.

At 25% you are at 4 seconds or above.

Use at least a semi-professional tool to measure, like Dragy.

Power wise during normal driving, yes you are probably not going to feel much difference in a stock 4S at 25%, because it is detuned to just 489 PS out of the 800 PS that the battery is capable of anyway. So you don't feel anything until half the power is gone.
But in launch mode it starts to degrade there.

He has a Turbo, judging from his avatar.

That said, I felt reduced performance in both my Taycans when SoC dropped below 25-30%

 

[prj]

He has a Turbo, judging from his avatar.

That said, I felt reduced performance in both my Taycans when SoC dropped below 25-30%

If he has a Turbo and he can't feel that the car is losing power below 30% (even stock) then he probably isn't very sensitive to the performance of the car.

 

[bluegrassvroom]

Have you noticed any difference in performance? J1.1, the performance goes down quite a bit based on SoC of the battery - you won't get same power at 50% or even at 70% as you did at 95%.
On j1.2 this behavior is mostly gone, mostly due to the new battery.

Any difference in battery per-conditioning? In theory, 15C is enough now for max charging speed. So maybe not needed at all.

Any difference in High speed charging curve? J1.2 batteries are capable of holding 250kw+ all the way to 80%, in what test drives/charging sessions I've done. Does this apply to you also now?

You are the first on the forum to confirm getting a new chemistry battery in a j1.1

Maybe @prj would like some info from your car

I haven't had it long enough to notice anything yet, and the weather has been sloppy - hard to have fun in it. I drove it about a week before i charged it up and saw this. Now - as i'm driving i don't think that 276 (or so) will be legit...

i got it after the dealer charged it fully, drove it 69 miles to me - it was saying +/- 230 miles left when i got it (forgot the charge percentage) but add the 70 or so miles back and it was telling me 300miles on the full charge....

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