Difference in range between 2020-early2024 Taycan models

[Tooney]

So from 2021 all should be the same?

21 - 24, yes (battery chemistry).

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[chun]

My 2020 gets 420km-450km of range on mission E, driving at Swiss speed limits. 390km of range with no speed limit. This is in summer.

On 20 inch wheels, I get as much as 20-30km of extra range for all those estimates.

In winter, on mission E I get 340-360, on 20” I get 360-370 km of range at Swiss speeds. At no speed limit, like 290-300km

None of the replacement mules I got from porsche had better range than that, 2023 and 2024 models.

so beside wheel choice and how you drive, there is no difference

 

[chun]

Battery chemistry changed in post-2020 model year Taycans.

I think you are wrong. For example the cells they put in my 2020 they took out of a 2023 mule ?

there is no chemistry change

 

[SergeyIndy]

There are no changes in Porsche posted specs from 2020 to later models in J1.1 gen regarding batteries or range differences. We have heard that something may have changed in the chemistry or manufacturing of the cells starting in 2021 but there was no official announcement to confirm this.

 

[Afrita]

I have seen the same as the OP.

I think (be careful!) that there was a big range boost around 2022 or 23 coming for a big software update. I don’t know how it delivered the boost - may be running inverter etc more efficiently or freeing up some of the unavailable battery. My presumption (again, careful!) is that cars manufactured before that update show a legal WLTP as manufactured whereas those originally manufactured with the newer software can show the improved WLTP range.

All of them ought to be updated - and if I were to buy CPO I would insist on it - so in reality the range should be the same. Obviously subject to other spec differences - big wheels will probably cost 5-10%, etc, wtc

 

[chun]

I have seen the same as the OP.

I think (be careful!) that there was a big range boost around 2022 or 23 coming for a big software update. I don’t know how it delivered the boost - may be running inverter etc more efficiently or freeing up some of the unavailable battery. My presumption (again, careful!) is that cars manufactured before that update show a legal WLTP as manufactured whereas those originally manufactured with the newer software can show the improved WLTP range.

All of them ought to be updated - and if I were to buy CPO I would insist on it - so in reality the range should be the same. Obviously subject to other spec differences - big wheels will probably cost 5-10%, etc, wtc

2020 and 2024 run same software; only the facelift has newer software, and even on that front, there is no reason for 2020 to not be able to run same software as the facelift, hardware is mostly the same.
ECUs may have newer software, but I doubt the changes are big enough

 

[Afrita]

2020 and 2024 run same software; only the facelift has newer software

Are you sure? This link suggest a major update in 2023 which (see under powertrain and heat) improved range. https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/202...ge-software-update-2023-model-year-29112.html

I don’t know if this explains the CPO WLTP range claims differing materially from car to car, but it does seem that there was an update.

 

[Richard 4S]

Are you sure? This link suggest a major update in 2023 which (see under powertrain and heat) improved range. https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/202...ge-software-update-2023-model-year-29112.html

I don’t know if this explains the CPO WLTP range claims differing materially from car to car, but it does seem that there was an update.

I believe there was a software update in 2023 which increased range on all cars. I think it was small changes to the way regen worked and when the rear or front motors cut in

 

[W1NGE]

I'm comparing models on Porsche website, and I find that usually My20 has less 30-50 miles range vs My23 models, both with Performance Battery and both Turbos.

The price difference between Turbo and RWD in My21 and My22 is insignificant which is surprising as well.

Turbos have the Performance Battery Plus (not Performance Battery). The latter is std on RWD and 4S saloons only.

Check the wheels / tyres - all of these things can contribute a difference but not 50 miles granted.

I think the issue is that the homologation was recalculate following the major software upgrades from 2021 and were already present in MY23 vehicles. These calcs would not have been recalculated for MY20. The numbers are likely for WLTP which you can safely ignore as these are grossly overstated.

I had a MY21 4S (in 2020) and now have a MY23 GTS ST (2023) and the real world range is quite similar. GTS is closer to the Turbo (same motor sizes but detuned slightly). In winter (now) @ 85% with the ambient around 3C the range quoted will be 171 (summer, 18C+ 205 - 210). At best either car would show 235 miles @ 100%.

Turbo S - RWD the price difference is massive new but 2nd / 3rd hand that model collapses making "higher value" cars more accessible. Remember also the high cost options make marginal difference in this market too. So spend your budget and push for the latest and best spec of the variant you want.

Personally, I would skip any MY20 car.

 

[W1NGE]

So from 2021 all should be the same?

Yes (not certain any chemistry was changed as this only happened for MY25 - hence the faster charging etc).

It's a moot point as there have been so many software patches which ultimately altered the efficiencies of the motors and it will be these that will have enhanced the range (not by 50 miles though).

All official dealer retailed vehicles will have all software patches and recall works completed. These are all a safe bet.

MY20 hardware (motors and some electronics) was updated for MY21 onwards (Sep'20 onwards).

 

[Sace]

I believe there was a software update in 2023 which increased range on all cars. I think it was small changes to the way regen worked and when the rear or front motors cut in

This. The change disconnects the front motor entirely on the AWD models when not needed which gave these cars more range. It was applied to all Taycans (assuming they have been serviced). That is why 2020 models sometimes are listed with the original range figure but after the update they are effectively the same as newer models.

There have been serveral revisions of the battery cells but that is minor and does not affect the range.

 

[W1NGE]

I believe there was a software update in 2023 which increased range on all cars. I think it was small changes to the way regen worked and when the rear or front motors cut in

That's correct but all cars would have had that applied.

The gains were at best marginal.

Range Drive mode was also fiddled with as originally the rear motor would be spun down and the front used only. By 2023 the 'experts' decided that this wasn't such a good idea and made all All Wheel Drive (AWD) models RWD biased and left the front motor 'energised' rather than 'off'.

 

[W1NGE]

Are you sure? This link suggest a major update in 2023 which (see under powertrain and heat) improved range. https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/202...ge-software-update-2023-model-year-29112.html

I don’t know if this explains the CPO WLTP range claims differing materially from car to car, but it does seem that there was an update.

WLTP is "bollocks" so please don't quote these numbers. No one drives under laboratory conditions.

Small gains made but the OP is 'looking' for 50 miles of a gain.

 

[W1NGE]

This. The change disconnects the front motor entirely on the AWD models when not needed which gave these cars more range. It was applied to all Taycans (assuming they have been serviced). That is why 2020 models sometimes are listed with the original range figure but after the update they are effectively the same as newer models.

There have been serveral revisions of the battery cells but that is minor and does not affect the range.

That is not quite correct re motor(s).

The motor is not disconnected and remains in a live state should conditions (drive mode, ambient temp, wheel slip etc) demand it.

It did nothing for the range (I have cars from both sides of this period) in the real world.

 

[Sace]

That is not quite correct re motor(s).

The motor is not disconnected and remains in a live state should conditions (drive mode, ambient temp, wheel slip etc) demand it.

It did nothing for the range (I have cars from both sides of this period) in the real world.

I know disconnected is not the actual term - It's just deenergizing the front motor and being smarter about when it does it. And there was a big fuss about how that increased the range by 50km (which it never did in practice as you also mention)

I agree that the WLTP numbers are useless but unfortunately a lot of cars around there is sold with the WLTP range dated from when the car was originally sold. Therefore you will see older cars that have lower range figures than never even though they are identical

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