No air suspension on Turbo S?

[Norfolkporsche]

Having just finalised my spec for a 2022 Turbo S, I was checking through the standard features of the car on the Porsche website, and found there is no mention of air suspension being a standard fitting. Instead, it is described as having steel coil spring suspension with PASM. I’ve checked other models and the 4S has air suspension whilst the Turbo has steel springs as standard.

Have I missed an announcement about this?

I’m assuming it’s an error, but will check with my OPC tomorrow.

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[Midlifecrisis]

Must be a mistake. You can’t spec it as an extra - if they had removed it deliberately then it would probably have been there to add back in at great extra cost!

 

[Alex74]

They have problems in the factory with air suspensions, limited to no stock. My pc told me that they will deliver cars on steel coils, and replace at the dealer when in stock. It’s not only chips that are missing.

 

[Midlifecrisis]

Seems odd that it remains on the 4S and has gone from the others. Maybe the 4S is the mistake. I hope not!

 

[W1NGE]

Most bizarre. Removed from anything above a 4S and still an option on the base model.

It makes no sense unless they are pushing Turbos and Turbo S models to the end of the queue which I doubt.

Could be a misprint and config screw up but ..

 

[Norfolkporsche]

Spoke to my OPC and they think it's a mistake on the configurator, but are checking with Porsche. I'll let you know their reply.

 

[W1NGE]

It gets worse.

I mentioned to my dealer last night who said they were aware but that it was a temporary problem (semi conductor related) and that iair suspension will be withdrawn from the new gen 3 Macan which launches now for a while also.

I'm still not convinced however as I don't see this being reflected in the price. The prospect of having a new car delivered with several key components missing and a retrospective campaign to remediate would fundamentally put me off purchasing until the situation had been resolved.

 

[whitex]

It gets worse.

I mentioned to my dealer last night who said they were aware but that it was a temporary problem (semi conductor related) and that iair suspension will be withdrawn from the new gen 3 Macan which launches now for a while also.

I'm still not convinced however as I don't see this being reflected in the price. The prospect of having a new car delivered with several key components missing and a retrospective campaign to remediate would fundamentally put me off purchasing until the situation had been resolved.

It sounds like they may not even be planning to remediate. Removing a feature from standard feature list and optional feature list points to simply removing the feature, be it possibly temporarily. If you order while those features don't appear on your locked build, you are not legally owed any retrofit just because other people, who ordered it in the past, got it for the same price. Maybe it's my paranoia talking, after being a Tesla customer for almost a decade, but I don't think it's such a big stretch. I bet retrofitting suspension is not cheap (I wonder if there is a price for that already, if not, that means there isn't even a procedure to do it today, which means new training for all dealers too). If they planned to retrofit, they would issue an advisory, add an asterisk in the feature list, but removing it completely to me means they are just planning to sell without a feature for a while. Not adjusting the price is just a price increase without an actual increase (for example Tesla has done this a number of times, add a new feature and raise the price, remove the feature few months later but leave the price higher). Perhaps Elon is teaching car manufacturers and dealers new tricks - he innovates everything he takes on, including being a car manufacturer and a dealer.

 

[Norfolkporsche]

Thanks for the replies.

This reminds me of the time Porsche started selling the Cayenne in 2003/2004. I had ordered a Turbo, but there was a problem with the supply of air suspension units for the cars. The S model came with steel springs (but you could opt to add air), but I didn't like the ride on that suspension.

At that time, there was simply a delay (a month or two if I remember correctly) until the factory had enough air suspension units to re-start production.

I cannot believe Porsche would amend the standard specification of a car like this without notifying customers of such a major change. I would not buy a car like this with steel springs.

I very much hope my faith in Porsche will not be shaken on this.

 

[W1NGE]

Thanks for the replies.

This reminds me of the time Porsche started selling the Cayenne in 2003/2004. I had ordered a Turbo, but there was a problem with the supply of air suspension units for the cars. The S model came with steel springs (but you could opt to add air), but I didn't like the ride on that suspension.

At that time, there was simply a delay (a month or two if I remember correctly) until the factory had enough air suspension units to re-start production.

I cannot believe Porsche would amend the standard specification of a car like this without notifying customers of such a major change. I would not buy a car like this with steel springs.

I very much hope my faith in Porsche will not be shaken on this.

It also has a profound impact on the car dynamics - range mode becomes something different, smartlift disappears, handling is different and so on.

If there is substance to all of this I wish Porsche would do the right thing and COMMUNICATE rather than let us continue to postulate.

We accept there are shortages leading to complications in product offerings which are not (in this case) Porsche's fault BUT please treat us with some respect and advise what the actual situation is - dealers are not the conduit for this as they aren't necessarily always informed and many can't see past the pressures of simply needing to sell product regardless.

 

[whitex]

It also has a profound impact on the car dynamics - range mode becomes something different, smartlift disappears, handling is different and so on.

If there is substance to all of this I wish Porsche would do the right thing and COMMUNICATE rather than let us continue to postulate.

We accept there are shortages leading to complications in product offerings which are not (in this case) Porsche's fault BUT please treat us with some respect and advise what the actual situation is - dealers are not the conduit for this as they aren't necessarily always informed and many can't see past the pressures of simply needing to sell product regardless.

Like you say, air suspension is fairly big aspect for people who care about the driving dynamics. When my allocation comes up, I will probably pass on it if the car will not have air suspension, as I buy cars primarily for their driving dynamics and functionality. I'm hoping this won't be the case by the time it's my time to lock my order.

Btw, I am not blaming Porsche here, if they really cannot produce cars as previously advertised, I totally get that they'd rather produce and try to sell what they can, I just might not be interested in the substitute product.

 

[R88]

It’s still listed on the standard features here:
https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/taycan/taycan-models/taycan-turbo-s/

 

[W1NGE]

It’s still listed on the standard features here:
https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/taycan/taycan-models/taycan-turbo-s/

Yes but has mysteriously disappeared elsewhere, all CT 4s and above and T 4s and above with no explanation yet.

There are many marketing materials out there which are potentially now out of date - hopefully not.

Time will tell.

 

[Norfolkporsche]

Spoken to my OPC who, in turn, have spoken to Porsche. Porsche have said there is an error on the configurator and that air suspension is standard on Turbo S models. They have said they will correct this error.

 

[W1NGE]

Spoken to my OPC who, in turn, have spoken to Porsche. Porsche have said there is an error on the configurator and that air suspension is standard on Turbo S models. They have said they will correct this error.

That's good to hear but it's the STD spec sheet that's wrong and not the configurator.

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