Range ST GTS

[or1]

I can't get anywhere near to some of these figures in my RWD Taycan, 21" rims, PB+. The most I've ever seen is 320km (199 miles). I'm well aware of all the caveats, but at 8,500 km, I would have expected better range by now. In fact, the best range I ever achieved from the car was in the first week of picking it up, at 337km. And that was charging it up with 3% battery left.

What causes the most range loss is how much energy goes into warming up the car (chiefly battery and interior) each time it starts. Cold starts and short trips eat a lot of range. As I wrote in another thread (https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/only-getting-around-130-miles-range.14894/post-225401), this can be observed in the Trip data that can be displayed in the righthand "tube" of the instrument cluster.

Driving style also matters, but not so much for short trips.

Edit. To me, the range prediction would have been more useful if it included the average consumption it calculates with. E.g. "305 km @ 24,4 kWh/100 km". (Or even better "305 km @ 244 Wh/km".) Replace with miles etc for those of you prefering that.

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[ciaranob]

What causes the most range loss is how much energy goes into warming up the car (chiefly battery and interior) each time it starts. Cold starts and short trips eat a lot of range. As I wrote in another thread (https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/only-getting-around-130-miles-range.14894/post-225401), this can be observed in the Trip data that can be displayed in the righthand "tube" of the instrument cluster.

Driving style also matters, but not so much for short trips.

Edit. To me, the range prediction would have been more useful if it included the average consumption it calculates with. E.g. "305 km @ 24,4 kWh/100 km". (Or even better "305 km @ 244 Wh/km".) Replace with miles etc for those of you prefering that.

This is essentially what I am showing in the first graph here:

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/charge-range-and-efficiency-one-years-data.14903/

The chart shows the actual consumption in blue per trip and distance (sep chart) and the calculated (of course predicted not actual) range for that specific entry from using that consumption value if kept the same.

In regards cold starts, agreed but that too will vary by climate - in TX 2/3 of the year has ambient temps up in the 90sF or more so the battery pack is literally quite warm a lot of the time when parked but would be interesting to document better.

 

[ciaranob]

Here is a decent overview based on a very large dataset in respect how external temps affect range. Obviously cold weather a known factor but very high temps as in my local area can have an equally detrimental impact on actual range achieved - and the little data we have to date may further indicate a bigger hit on SoH at least initially in very hot climates.

I throw this out there as even last night here in Houston with temps in the low 30's here my battery at 7 AM this morning was still 50F; whenever I complete overnight charging sessions the end state (85% SoC) has temps typically 85-90F but in very cold weather down to 70F.

In either case a good starting HV temp and hence why even on short trips driving style does matter i.e. my definition of style includes average speed (e.g. say 80 mph for 10 miles of highway vs 60mph); rapid launches from every stop on that short trip etc., which will impact the short trip range but of course in a relative sense to longer trips.

As in the link I shared in the prior post above the consistency of external temperature ranges and hence static HV battery starting temps for my use case are near fixed simply due to the local climate conditions that prevail here, as are other factors for me like terrain/elevation, load, wheels/tires. This allows me to look at my data and surmise why I still see some very notable changes in consumption through a large set of short trip data. Which brings me back to style (speed, launches etc) coupled with trip length-duration as being more important factors on range again in my specific case - most definitely others and YMMV - actually will vary

https://www.geotab.com/blog/ev-range/

Couple of extracts from above link and of course there are numerous other more rigorous datasets out there and posted on this forum specifically documenting HV temp controls on EV performance:

 

[Atipical]

I might be late to the party, but I regularly get 230-250 mi at 100%. Average temps are 40-65°F at the moment. Im not SUPER aggressive with the throttle but I drive pretty spiritedly 9 times out of 10.
I’m at about 7k miles now since December. (I’ve been driving the snot out of this car btw)

 

[ciaranob]

I might be late to the party, but I regularly get 230-250 mi at 100%. Average temps are 40-65°F at the moment. Im not SUPER aggressive with the throttle but I drive pretty spiritedly 9 times out of 10.
I’m at about 7k miles now since December. (I’ve been driving the snot out of this car btw)

Hey if you're ever bothered to get an OBDII reader I'd love to add your Soh and mileage details to the Son thread - we need more from Spain and areas south

Link here:

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/baseline-for-hv-battery-soh-performance.12815/

Cheers, C.

 

[f1eng]

Hey if you're ever bothered to get an OBDII reader I'd love to add your Soh and mileage details to the Son thread

I bought one from Amazon UK but it doesn’t connect to the ECU, at least not the twice I tried, so I gave up.
Maybe it would work whilst driving round but I haven’t risked it.

 

[ciaranob]

I bought one from Amazon UK but it doesn’t connect to the ECU, at least not the twice I tried, so I gave up.
Maybe it would work whilst driving round but I haven’t risked it.

One critical thing for the OSX/iOS application is that you need a scanner that is Bluetooth 4.0 compatible - Bluetooth vs 1-3 scanners will almost certainly not be compatible with your car+iPhone.


This one works seamlessly with the CarScanner app (free) on iOS/iPhone and the app has a dedicated Taycan setting preloaded. I know this first scanner is China sourced (possibly ripping of thee tech) which understandably some dislike:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B088LW211V/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This second source might be a more 'official' source but obviously a lot more expensive - I need to recheck the official site address ...:

https://www.obdlink.com/products/obdlink-mxp/


And if of interest, a site with some overviews:

https://www.carscanner.info/choosing-obdii-adapter/

Example of recommendation:

 

[f1eng]

One critical thing for the OSX/iOS application is that you need a scanner that is Bluetooth 4.0 compatible - Bluetooth vs 1-3 scanners will almost certainly not be compatible with your car+iPhone.


This one works seamlessly with the CarScanner app (free) on iOS/iPhone and the app has a dedicated Taycan setting preloaded. I know this first scanner is China sourced (possibly ripping of thee tech) which understandably some dislike:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B088LW211V/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This second source might be a more 'official' source but obviously a lot more expensive - I need to recheck the official site address ...:

https://www.obdlink.com/products/obdlink-mxp/


And if of interest, a site with some overviews:

https://www.carscanner.info/choosing-obdii-adapter/

Example of recommendation:

I bought this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07LDDWTJG?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

Car Scanner connects to ELM fairly quickly but remains disconnected from ECU, at least while “on” but sitting on my drive. I didn’t try driving with it connected.

It would be a shame to accidentally scramble the ECU so I gave up!

 

[ciaranob]

I bought this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07LDDWTJG?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

Car Scanner connects to ELM fairly quickly but remains disconnected from ECU, at least while “on” but sitting on my drive. I didn’t try driving with it connected.

It would be a shame to accidentally scramble the ECU so I gave up!

Odd indeed - possibly some issue with the physical connection and may need to check with manufacturer but invariably a pain!

Well if you ever want to try an alternate, the vLinker MC+ most def works with multiple forum members having used it to date but understand you don't want a closet full of OBD scanners!

 

[Atipical]

Hey if you're ever bothered to get an OBDII reader I'd love to add your Soh and mileage details to the Son thread - we need more from Spain and areas south

Link here:

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/baseline-for-hv-battery-soh-performance.12815/

Cheers, C.

Hilariously enough, while I made my profile while I was in Spain, I'm actually in Virginia, USA. I just can't figure out how to get that changed on my profile

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