Taycan tuned: 950 hp through software tuning

[prj]

Biggest gain is on a roll.

He seems to have a hard time understanding that, I did a pretty thorough write-up, but when you're just comparing launch control 1/4 mile numbers and nothing else, then that doesn't help.

The car is 25% faster in 99% of every day situations, just in launch control the difference is not as big. Any ICE car if you get a 25% gain with a tune, then people are all over it. Nobody thinks even for a moment that it's "too little".

Unfortunately the Porsche marketing with hiding the max power behind launch control really works on many people.
That's also why during the AMG GT EV reveal, they extra stressed that "the power is available in any mode". Just as an extra "f... you" to Porsche

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[69Mach390]

He seems to have a hard time understanding that, I did a pretty thorough write-up, but when you're just comparing launch control 1/4 mile numbers and nothing else, then that doesn't help.

The car is 25% faster in 99% of every day situations, just in launch control the difference is not as big. Any ICE car if you get a 25% gain with a tune, then people are all over it. Nobody thinks even for a moment that it's "too little".

Unfortunately the Porsche marketing with hiding the max power behind launch control really works on many people.
That's also why during the AMG GT EV reveal, they extra stressed that "the power is available in any mode". Just as an extra "f... you" to Porsche

An easy visual illustration of this is any Carwow drag racing video with a Taycan.

They do multiple drag races from a dig, then a roll. Many times the Taycan wins the dig and gets crushed from a roll.

With your tune? Would be very different results. Gen 1.1 turbo S gains 175 hp from a roll and 1.2 gain 305 hp! Not sure how anyone could conclude that isn’t “worth it.”

 

[Mr.Smith]

He seems to have a hard time understanding that, I did a pretty thorough write-up, but when you're just comparing launch control 1/4 mile numbers and nothing else, then that doesn't help.

The car is 25% faster in 99% of every day situations, just in launch control the difference is not as big. Any ICE car if you get a 25% gain with a tune, then people are all over it. Nobody thinks even for a moment that it's "too little".

Unfortunately the Porsche marketing with hiding the max power behind launch control really works on many people.
That's also why during the AMG GT EV reveal, they extra stressed that "the power is available in any mode". Just as an extra "f... you" to Porsche

I think Porsche is using lower SOC as the marketing for consistency and to under promise, over deliver.

At 37% I'm SOC, I'm getting 937hp over boost

For the AMG, I would like to see the real power rating at lower and higher SOC.
Plus Mercedes & BMW can't consistently put the power down from a dig

An easy visual illustration of this is any Carwow drag racing video with a Taycan.

They do multiple drag races from a dig, then a roll. Many times the Taycan wins the dig and gets crushed from a roll.

With your tune? Would be very different results. Gen 1.1 turbo S gains 175 hp from a roll and 1.2 gain 305 hp! Not sure how anyone could conclude that isn’t “worth it.”

This is all true. The benefit is when not in launch control. Between improvement in 60-130mph, the throttle response is greatly improved.

Even on the Turbo GT, the 60-130 is .7 sec, which is enormous

 

[prj]

I think Porsche is using lower SOC as the marketing for consistency and to under promise, over deliver.

At 37% I'm SOC, I'm getting 937hp over boost

On the J1.2 every single car until the Turbo S would make their launch power from 100 to 20%.
The Turbo S would make it's launch power from 100 to 40%.

And it's only the Turbo GT where it's unlimited so you're battery limited.

So this argument really goes out of the window on J1.2. There's no consistency issue apart from the Turbo GT.

 

[Mr.Smith]

On the J1.2 every single car until the Turbo S would make their launch power from 100 to 20%.
The Turbo S would make it's launch power from 100 to 40%.

And it's only the Turbo GT where it's unlimited so you're battery limited.

So this argument really goes out of the window on J1.2. There's no consistency issue apart from the Turbo GT.

I assume that means at 40%, both the Turbo GT and the Turbo S have the power output?
Just at much higher SOC the Turbo GT gets the additional power?

 

[prj]

I assume that means at 40%, both the Turbo GT and the Turbo S have the power output?
Just at much higher SOC the Turbo GT gets the additional power?

Yes, well the Turbo GT also holds the power a little better up top. The Turbo S really has the same top end as non Turbo-S. It just has a higher peak between 90 and 160km/h. But top end is the same.

That's also why the difference between a Turbo S and the lower trims is quite small. E.g. 100-200km/h a Taycan 4 can do 4.9-5.0s, the Turbo S does 4.5-4.6s. And the non-Weissach Turbo GT does 4.1-4.2s, and well the Weissach is sub 4 seconds due to the reduced weight.

The Turbo S is noticeably faster at the low end. My car on 20" PS4's is always traction limited up to around 40km/h in the rear, but not in the front, and the Turbo S has better acceleration due to more torque in the front.

Actually I think a Turbo GT on launch control vs a tuned Turbo S on launch control, there will be absolutely no difference up to 100km/h. That's because the Turbo GT has a different final drive, so it's not making any more power/torque until the Turbo S switches into 2nd gear.

 

[EXOTIC3]

He seems to have a hard time understanding that, I did a pretty thorough write-up, but when you're just comparing launch control 1/4 mile numbers and nothing else, then that doesn't help.

The car is 25% faster in 99% of every day situations, just in launch control the difference is not as big. Any ICE car if you get a 25% gain with a tune, then people are all over it. Nobody thinks even for a moment that it's "too little".

Unfortunately the Porsche marketing with hiding the max power behind launch control really works on many people.
That's also why during the AMG GT EV reveal, they extra stressed that "the power is available in any mode". Just as an extra "f... you" to Porsche

Actually I do understand. As previously mentioned in this thread concerning launching…….
The vast majority of my driving is in town stoplight to stoplight. Rarely in my daily driving do I exceed 60 mph..so that’s my basis for the decision. i’m waiting for a tune that increases quicker off the line acceleration 0-60 times.
Doing any Mercedes EV tuning yet

 

[EXOTIC3]

^^^^ from above can Mercedes EqS be tuned?
Thank you

 

[prj]

i’m waiting for a tune that increases quicker off the line acceleration 0-60 times.

You can keep waiting then, it's not possible without doing hardware modifications (e.g. swapping in the Turbo S front inverter).

 

[69Mach390]

Actually I do understand. As previously mentioned in this thread concerning launching…….
The vast majority of my driving is in town stoplight to stoplight. Rarely in my daily driving do I exceed 60 mph..so that’s my basis for the decision. i’m waiting for a tune that increases quicker off the line acceleration 0-60 times.
Doing any Mercedes EV tuning yet

In that case the only benefit would be having a “launch control” 0-60 without having to enable launch control. Just stab and go and better throttle response at all speeds.

But if max 0-60 is your only goal, yeah this tune probably wouldn’t be for you.

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