Study: Less than 1% of EV owners would go back to full gas-powered vehicles... would you?

[irrelevant]

In what scenario in today's environment could or would ever justify flying 200 to 400 miles.

Any scenario where I want to travel that distance?

I don’t really understand the question.

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[CarbonTax]

I wish I had more EV choice because I can't go back to ICE. It's just too sluggish feeling, and all the ludicrous upkeep is nuts. Oil, plugs, belts, all of it.

Anxiously awaiting the EV 718 ?

 

[Manyana]

In case longer range in an EV is an option, here is a recent list of EVs with ranges longer than J1.1 Taycan --

I've also read that some manufacturers are designing EVs with a small gasoline engine onboard to allow battery charging while driving to extend range. Couldn't find an example but probably worth keeping up with that.

BYD have two models that are plug hybrids, the Sealion which is an SUV and Shark which is a four door Ute.
They share the same drive train which consists of two electric motors and a 1.5 litre diesel engine.
The electric motors drive the vehicle and when the battery gets down to a certain level the diesel starts and recharges the battery.
In heavy going the diesel engine can drive the vehicle.
Good reports so far.

 

[XLR82XS]

I'm in the 1% group. No more EVs in the stable. Porsche really left me hanging with my Taycan issues. I'm over the excessive tech and built-in obsolesce of new cars and enjoying my vintage vehicles everyday and loving it.

 

[Ipercool]

Where there is technology, what is old is old and that's it.
Where there is technology, old means outdated. EVs are too much more efficient, too much simpler than ICEs. ICEs are now unnecessarily complicated and ineffective.
I don't understand those who say that driving a Taycan isn't exciting.
Driving a Taycan you can concentrate on driving, with a similar ICE you have to do a lot of other useless things that only serve to certify that you are a driver who sucks.
I have had Cayenne turbo, 911 993 4s, Delta integrale evoluzione, the Taycan certainly doesn't give me less excitement than those. Here we have only had EVs for a few years and we are staying with these.
I say this from Italy where the public network is ridiculous but paradoxically sufficient as there are no EVs (3%).
The only thing that is really necessary is to have decent home charging, everything else is ancillary.

 

[Scandinavian]

Where there is technology, what is old is old and that's it.
Where there is technology, old means outdated. EVs are too much more efficient, too much simpler than ICEs. ICEs are now unnecessarily complicated and ineffective.
I don't understand those who say that driving a Taycan isn't exciting.
Driving a Taycan you can concentrate on driving, with a similar ICE you have to do a lot of other useless things that only serve to certify that you are a driver who sucks.
I have had Cayenne turbo, 911 993 4s, Delta integrale evoluzione, the Taycan certainly doesn't give me less excitement than those. Here we have only had EVs for a few years and we are staying with these.
I say this from Italy where the public network is ridiculous but paradoxically sufficient as there are no EVs (3%).
The only thing that is really necessary is to have decent home charging, everything else is ancillary.

Well in principle you may have a point.

But technology, implemented as lousy as Porsche has done, is not effective. And I have no idea on what you are talking about that an ICE driver needs to concentrate on anything apart from driving. I deeply, deeply regret selling my M5 and am trying to get a decent deal on this Trashcan now. It is a great car when it works, but so much time spent to bring it to a lousy service centre and with a 90 minutes drive, it is trash!

 

[PCFishman]

First few hours driving a 2025 Panamera 4 as a loaner while my GTS ST is getting recalls done.

I notice major differences and below things I miss about my Taycan and wouldn’t go back to a ICE vehicle (unless it’s a GT3RS or hyper car):

1 - Auto Start
Taycan makes it so easy, get in and go

2 - Faux Buttons vs Screen (Haptic)
I much prefer my screen and haptic vs the faux button where the whole module moves and depresses when clicked. IMO it feels worse than pushing a screen and getting haptic feedback.

3 - No lag, linear acceleration
I miss the immediate no lag, smooth acceleration of the Taycan. I am sure a higher trim level Panamera may be less laggy, but still would not be as immediate as an EV.

4 - Handling
Panamera takes a corner like a champ, but not as smooth as my Taycan, which feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. The Panamera losses a lot of momentum and speed into the turn, which you to throttle through. The Taycan flows seamlessly through the turn without adding more speed. I miss that planted, running on rails feel that comes with having a lower center of gravity due to the battery in the Taycan.

5 - Driving position
Panamera is a much sportier seating position than a Macan or Cayenne, but it doesn’t have that sunk in feeling you get with a 911 or another sport car. The Taycan gets you closer to that sport car seating position.

6 - Brakes
I miss the smoothness of engaging regen with light to moderate brake pressure on my Taycan. The Panamera physical brakes while more than sufficient to stop disrupt the ride quality and reduce smoothness during deceleration, down hill or going into and out of a turn.

7 - Engine Sound
I find I like my fake EV sound on my GTS far better than the muted real sound in a Panamera. I love a car growlin and spittin fire and would any day take the sounds made by a GT3RS over that of the fake EV sounds in my Taycan. However, a muted, subdued roar of a luxury, estate care just doesn’t make me miss not having real engine sound.

8 - Suspension
The loaner came with air suspension and even in Normal mode my GTS was much more smooth and absorbed many minor bumps and road imperfections. In SPORT or SPORT Plus the Taycan becomes a full on sport car where all road sense are heightened providing the full sport experience. For a luxury cruiser the Taycan actually provides a smoother ride than the Panamera, which in design concept should not be true as the Panamera is the luxury estate vehicle.

I’ll have this car for at least a week due to the holiday, so I’ll post more of my observations. Both cars are fantastic to drive, this is really first world problems from someone who is particular about their car. Happy Holidays!!!

 

[McgR]

I made the switch and happy with my choice. I wouldnt have gone back to full ICE. I like The PHEV and for me it is perfect. I charge it where possible. All my shorter drives are electric with the known benefits silent, comfortable, pre conditioning, free in the summer with solar panels. I dont like driving around town with an empty battery but that rarely occurs. Below 70 km/h accelarations are good enough for daily use. And 800 km of range for longer drives. At highway speeds the Panamera is not that more noisy than the Taycan. I have done lots of longer EV trips and it was fine but the trip to the Alps this week in the Panamera just is less stressful. Still keeping an eye in this forum and J 1.2 looks promising for solving the issues I had with mine. So with the better range and improved Charing infrastructure I think I will come back to the Taycan in a year of two.

 

[McgR]

First few hours driving a 2025 Panamera 4 as a loaner while my GTS ST is getting recalls done.

I notice major differences and below things I miss about my Taycan and wouldn’t go back to a ICE vehicle (unless it’s a GT3RS or hyper car):

1 - Auto Start
Taycan makes it so easy, get in and go

2 - Faux Buttons vs Screen (Haptic)
I much prefer my screen and haptic vs the faux button where the whole module moves and depresses when clicked. IMO it feels worse than pushing a screen and getting haptic feedback.

3 - No lag, linear acceleration
I miss the immediate no lag, smooth acceleration of the Taycan. I am sure a higher trim level Panamera may be less laggy, but still would not be as immediate as an EV.

4 - Handling
Panamera takes a corner like a champ, but not as smooth as my Taycan, which feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. The Panamera losses a lot of momentum and speed into the turn, which you to throttle through. The Taycan flows seamlessly through the turn without adding more speed. I miss that planted, running on rails feel that comes with having a lower center of gravity due to the battery in the Taycan.

5 - Driving position
Panamera is a much sportier seating position than a Macan or Cayenne, but it doesn’t have that sunk in feeling you get with a 911 or another sport car. The Taycan gets you closer to that sport car seating position.

6 - Brakes
I miss the smoothness of engaging regen with light to moderate brake pressure on my Taycan. The Panamera physical brakes while more than sufficient to stop disrupt the ride quality and reduce smoothness during deceleration, down hill or going into and out of a turn.

7 - Engine Sound
I find I like my fake EV sound on my GTS far better than the muted real sound in a Panamera. I love a car growlin and spittin fire and would any day the sounds made by a GT3RS over that of the fake EV sounds in my Taycan. However, a muted, subdued roar of a luxury, estate care just doesn’t make me miss not having real engine sound.

8 - Suspension
The loaner came with air suspension and even in Normal mode my GTS was much more smooth and absorbed many minor bumps and road imperfections. In SPORT or SPORT Plus the Taycan becomes a full on sport car where all road sense are heightened providing the full sport experience. For a luxury cruiser the Taycan actually provides a smoother ride than the Panamera, which in design concept should not be true as the Panamera is the luxury estate vehicle.

I’ll have this car for at least a week due to the holiday, so I’ll post more of my observations. Both cars are fantastic to drive, this is really first world problems from someone who is particular about their car. Happy Holidays!!!

I do agree on most points.

1. indeed took weeks to get used to.

2. Dont agree on that one. The buttons for AC and the short cuts are very usefull.

3. same for me in normal drive mode but not in sport of sport plus.

4. I did indeed prefer the Taycan for mountain roads for the things you mention. Same thing with sport mode and lower suspension setting however for the Panamera. It does improve.

6. correct it is less smooth to a full stop. Also with the gear switches.

7. the sport exhaust does sound good. Not muted at all. When I feel like it, it puts a smile on my face. I general however I prefer the silence of the electric engineer for slow drives.

8. I had air suspension and 20 inch wheels on both and the Panamera is more comfortable.

 

[CDT]

I’ve been driving an EV as my daily since 2011. I won’t go back to an ICE vehicle. The simplicity of charging at home and less maintenance are just a couple of reasons why I prefer electric vehicles.
Hopefully picking up a 2025 CT 4S tomorrow.

 

[Johan Meert]

In what scenario in today's environment could or would ever justify flying 200 to 400 miles.

In the scenario where every environmentally active celebrity does all their travel with a private jet.

 

[Lefty8235]

At the top performance level, for those who love the growl of an ICE car, if the synthetic technology eventually matches the sport exhaust sound where ICE and EV become indistinguishable, do you still care what powers it?

I’ve had some fun performance cars and SUVs, both ICE and EV and so far the Taycan Turbo S (especially now with the Redshift tune) takes the cake in drive experience.

Unrelated - thinking of color change - going from satin black PPF to satin white vinyl. Would powder coat the wheels gloss black and perhaps the door handles as well. If you google satin white Taycan turbo S there’s a YouTube video of one similar with the Mission E wheels that looks pretty cool.

Thoughts?

 

[Fun TC Driving]

I would love to see a study done 7 years from now when EV technology and therefore range has evolved further. In the meantime we are very happy BEV beta testers; of course have not been to a gas station in our EV for year since it became our DD (replacing our plug in hybrid RAV4 Prime).

 

[whitex]

of course have not been to a gas station in our EV for year since it became our DD

Why were you going the gas station in your EV before it became your DD?

 

[Fun TC Driving]

When we had our RAV4 Prime as our DD before our iX, while we always charged it to full at home, on days when a round trip was quite a bit longer than its max 42 miles range, over the course of typically a month or two, we needed to refill the gas tank.

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