full EV vs. 992.2 911 TurboS - clever alternative solutions - EV motor inside the turbo's!!!

[daveo4EV]

the new 911 TurboS is a beast and yet sooo modern - while I may disagree with their focus away from pure EV's that doesn't mean Porsche lacks "clever" - this new eTurbo is tricky tricky high performance stuff - gotta love Porsche even when you're hating them…



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[Jasper4S]

Great video. Porsche doing Porsche stuff. Just adding a bit of nuance here: their EV focus hasn’t disappeared, it’s simply less aggressive now.

You don’t have to be for or against that direction; it’s simply business. The tough Chinese market and the orange man’s tariff chaos are the main reasons behind it.

 

[AutoX]

Great video. Porsche doing Porsche stuff. Just adding a bit of nuance here: their EV focus hasn’t disappeared, it’s simply less aggressive now.

You don’t have to be for or against that direction; it’s simply business. The tough Chinese market and the orange man’s tariff chaos are the main reasons behind it.

I didn't realize that ICE or hybrids were exempt from Tariffs.

 

[ze_shark]

Audi pioneered an eTurbo in the SQ7 9y ago.
It just did not have the MGU-K functionality, recuperation was through the starter/generator.

 

[Jasper4S]

I didn't realize that ICE or hybrids were exempt from Tariffs.

I didn’t say they’re exempt. But sure, keep pretending tariffs and market chaos don’t affect EV planning. Porsche definitely reads your comments before setting strategy. Probably you are now handling 5 DM’s from Ferdinand himself?

 

[Gino]

I didn't realize that ICE or hybrids were exempt from Tariffs.

I would guess that EVs even from Porsche have many more electrical components being sourced from China which would impact EVs specifically with Trump’s 100% tariffs on China.
The tariffs on Europe which impact all Porsche vehicles ICE & EV when vehicles are sold to the US but at far less than 100%. The cost to build EV’s in Europe goes up dramatically if the component costs to make an EV doubles.

 

[AutoX]

I didn’t say they’re exempt. But sure, keep pretending tariffs and market chaos don’t affect EV planning. Porsche definitely reads your comments before setting strategy. Probably you are now handling 5 DM’s from Ferdinand himself?

So Porsche sales in the number 1 market in the world have cratered because of Trump's tariff?
or maybe it's because there's really not much difference between EV powertrain between manufacturer so people are no longer wiling to pay twice as much for the Porsche badge.

Truth is EV sales especially high end EVs have not grown as fast as predicted. What's worse is that they have depreciated much more than average. And that started way before the tariffs.

 

[Jasper4S]

So Porsche sales in the number 1 market in the world have cratered because of Trump's tariff?
or maybe it's because there's really not much difference between EV powertrain between manufacturer so people are no longer wiling to pay twice as much for the Porsche badge.

Truth is EV sales especially high end EVs have not grown as fast as predicted. What's worse is that they have depreciated much more than average. And that started way before the tariffs.

Nobody said it’s just Trump. But ignoring tariffs, Chinese oversupply, and cooling EV demand as connected factors is naive. Porsche’s slowing EV rollout isn’t panic, it’s profit strategy. But you probably know better. Enlighten us.

 

[chun]

and cooling EV demand as connected factors is naive

Can you link your source for this?

While global EV growth is not matching the imaginary pacing of Porsche, it is outpacing past years, as so has for the last 5 years, each new year outpacing the last.

In the first half of this year, global EV sales rose 26%, and preliminary data suggests sales increased around 30% in September.
And while 2024 was 33% more EV sales than 2023, 30% increase in 2025 over 2024 is very solid, hardly slowing down if you do the math.

In fact the only countries were EV sales are slowing down is Germany, due to on average 1.8x increase in price compared to ICE equivalent, and Japan due to basically non-existent infrastructure.
Gauging EV demand in Europe is complicated right now because many automakers are holding off launching more affordable EV models until 2025, and with all of this, the over all trend is still one of growth.

US EV sales are also growing, despite tariffs. So that point also doesn't really stand.

Each year, more and more EVs are being sold, just not in a factor of 2x month to month like Porsche was hoping for.

EVs are selling well, and more than ever, unless you can provide sources that prove otherwise, with actual statistics. Porsche is not selling well, but that's different.

Porsche is slowing EV rollout because their EVs don't sell. But other EVs sell just fine. Unless, again, you can provide statistics that state otherwise.

The EV market is doing just fine, actually better than ever, as proven statistically. Porsche is just not competitive in that market.

Porsche is betting on the ICE market where they are still relevant, which shrinks year to year, instead of the EV market that grows year to year where but where they aren't competitive - basically refusing to even try to be competitive in the EV market.

And their bet is the 911 Turbo S with eTurbos, but if you actually look at reviews, nobody actually plans to buy it over the old turbo s, as it's not a significant enough change.

Most still prefer naturally aspirated at that price point.
Pair that with price increase, in a shrinking market, and an unwilling market to upgrade to more un-needed performance, and I don't know how well that bet will work.

Not to mention that Porsche's hope for profitability is to sell PTS to everyone at mega prices and to sell gold badges and "fancy" trims to everyone for 30k extra. I don't think that will work out. A 911 is a 911, and it is one of hundreds of thousands, no PTS or 30k extra package will make it a 1 of 1 or a 1 of 2000 worth 500k. But we shall see, no?
Surely that 718 EV will come out next year at 70k and sell bangers, right? lmao

 

[Vercingetorix]

Maybe it would be nice to take this ev sales talk elsewhere? This is about electrified turbochargers.

 

[daveo4EV]

while I prefer a full EV and believe that is the future - I can appreciate a stunning engineering effort - and the new Turbo is is simply amazing in all the energy harvesting they are doing

kudos to Porsche for doing the "wrong thing" soooooo well

they are masters of mechanical engineering - simply masters…what a product!!!

 

[chun]

Maybe it would be nice to take this ev sales talk elsewhere? This is about electrified turbochargers.

It wasn’t me that brought the subject up.

This is a Taycan forum, in the “Taycan versus […]”

And if you would have bothered to read, I did comment on the 911 turbo s also, more precisely about the conclusion of many big reviews of it: it’s still not better than naturally aspirated and quite a bit more expensive - will people buy it?

 

[prj]

Audi pioneered an eTurbo in the SQ7 9y ago.
It just did not have the MGU-K functionality, recuperation was through the starter/generator.

This is nothing like the SQ7. The SQ7 has two normal turbos (where the flow is cleverly switched between them using switchable zero lift profiles, but that's another story), and a completely separate electric compressor, that is only present in some markets. It's incorrect to call it a turbocharger, because there is no turbine.
The electric compressor's job is to add a little boost at transients, it's power output is very low and it works on 48V.

The T-Hybrid is a completely different system. The electric motor is integrated in the turbocharger itself. It can run in both power generation mode as well as forcefully spin the turbocharger when there is not enough exhaust gas yet.
When there is excess exhaust gas, it is running in generation mode, and there is no wastegate.
The power outputs are very significant too. The motor in the turbocharger also runs on 400V.

So what I am trying to say is, the SQ7 is irrelevant, this is completely different and new technology it has nothing to do with the SQ7 whatsoever.

 

[f1eng]

This is nothing like the SQ7. The SQ7 has two normal turbos (where the flow is cleverly switched between them using switchable zero lift profiles, but that's another story), and a completely separate electric compressor, that is only present in some markets. It's incorrect to call it a turbocharger, because there is no turbine.
The electric compressor's job is to add a little boost at transients, it's power output is very low and it works on 48V.

The T-Hybrid is a completely different system. The electric motor is integrated in the turbocharger itself. It can run in both power generation mode as well as forcefully spin the turbocharger when there is not enough exhaust gas yet.
When there is excess exhaust gas, it is running in generation mode, and there is no wastegate.
The power outputs are very significant too. The motor in the turbocharger also runs on 400V.

So what I am trying to say is, the SQ7 is irrelevant, this is completely different and new technology it has nothing to do with the SQ7 whatsoever.

The hybrid Formula 1 engines have had turbochargers like this since the beginning and it deals with the problems of turbocharged piston engines very well. After owning one I would never again own a turbo IC engined car without something that effectively gives it adequate throttle response.

Ironically the device was dropped for the 2026 F1 regulations a couple of years ago because "it is too expensive to ever be used on a road car"
To be fair it probably is too expensive for most road cars too, the engineering involved in a motor/generator running at over 100,000 rpm in an extremely hot location is truly difficult and expensive - goodness knows what a spare will cost.

Of the engine manufacturers committee on the FIA deciding to drop it - called the MGU-H in the rules - the only two insisting on its exclusion were Renault and Porsche, and Renault have pulled out of F1 engines and the Porsche involvement in F1 never took off, so the new engine rules were f*cked up by 2 non-participants. It was by far the most effective energy recovery method in F1.
You couldn't make it up.

 

[prj]

goodness knows what a spare will cost.

€7,267.44

That said, the normal 3.0 engines have two normal turbos, which from Porsche are €4,215.58 each.

I am sure there will be aftermarket refurbished options.

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