Lucid vs Taycan

[andb]

Lucid is almost bankrupt and their SUV won't save them because its too expensive. They need a Model Y not a Model X competitor but it will take years to build it. My 10k stock invested is worth almost nothing.
Chance to survive is to be acquired by a big OEM, maybe some japanese manufacturer.

Sponsored

 

[Danielims]

I recently had the opportunity to compare the Lucid Air Grand Touring to the Porsche Taycan GTS and Turbo. The Lucid Air is definitely the more impressive car overall. It has better performance, range, and interior space than both Taycans. The only area where the Taycan excels is handling. If you're looking for the best possible electric car on the market, the Lucid Air is the way to go.

 

[MHC]

Danielims- As someone who's owned both. My original thoughts were exactly the same as yours when I bought a lucid Air GT and sold my 2020 taycan turbo. After 14 months of lucid ownership I felt quite differently and sold the Lucid for another Taycan. if you need a larger sedan than the Taycan I would look at the BMW i5. My BMW IX has been flawless and my son has an I4 which he loves. BMW like Porsche knows how to build an electric car . Lucid knows how to design a spectacular car on paper but doesn't know how to build them.

 

[Nogas]

I have owned a Lucid Air Gt and two Taycans. I agree 100 percent with the comments by Nogas above. The lucid is an awesome car and is much roomier and more comfortable than the Taycan. It is not as sporty (comparing Air Gt to Taycan turbo or GTS that I have owned). In may 2022, I bought the lucid and sold my 2020 Taycan turbo (which had no issues) because the lucid had awesome tech and 2022 car of the year was a deserved award based on the potential of the car. Unfortunately , what I found was a lot of frustration over little things that always went wrong - frunk, latches, key fobs, infotainment, nav systems, cameras that would go awry due to software or other issues. I had an early build (vehicle 869 ) and so later builds may be better but for me I finally got tired of things not working. I also had trim issues as well. I never had an issue with Drivability or rattles etc. I also found in practice that the great range for a Lucid was not an issue for me as I rarely drove more than 200 miles on a single leg of a trip. lucid service was very good but it would often take weeks to schedule service because I didn't have drivability issues which they addressed as a priority. I bought a 2023 Taycan Sport turismo GTS and sold the lucid and am happy with the decision. I lost a ton on the sale of the lucid which I thankfully sold privately as dealers didn't want the car on trade and their offers were terrible. Lucid has lowered retail prices and offered subsidized financing or leases which is tanking resale values. lucid will survive if the gravity (New SUV version is a success) or if the Saudi PIF which owns 62 percent of lucid keeps funding it but if either goes wrong lucid is finished. in which case the 140k AGT car with 5k miles I sold for 90k last month will sell for 50k . If you buy a lucid I would lease it to hedge against Lucid's demise and a big back end loss.

Good analysis, I would like to add that software issues are have mostly been addressed and trim redesigning has been made in the more recent cars. But the more I research, I just cannot find a car with better combination of space ( luggage and passengers ), handling, range and efficiency. I average more than 4 miles/kwh driving in the city. Nothing comes close to this efficiency. Gravity has to be a success for company to survive, and I don't doubt it will with Saudi bankrolling it.

This review sums up why i bought the car:

 

[Nogas]

Lucid is almost bankrupt and their SUV won't save them because its too expensive. They need a Model Y not a Model X competitor but it will take years to build it. My 10k stock invested is worth almost nothing.
Chance to survive is to be acquired by a big OEM, maybe some japanese manufacturer.

Nope, they will be funded by the Saudi's until it gets established. There is a reason Saudi made Lucid build a factory in Saudi Arabia. Also, Aston Martin will be using Lucid EV tech in their future EV's. Name me one manufacturer who could get more than a 1000hp out of a 113kw battery and a range of 516 miles? The EV tech is the best in the world. I always strive for the best engines when i buy a car. When it comes to EV motor/software management technology, no one presently can beat Lucid. Not even Tesla. The company will be fine, more partnerships coming for licensing tech. No car company becomes profitable in a few years. It takes 5-10 years. Only number one reason I didn't get the Taycan is the range. Otherwise agree, phenomenal vehicle otherwise. But for EV's , range is king. And when you configure a Lucid , it comes out 40k cheaper.

 

[MHC]

Nogas - do you work for lucid? Noticed you just joined the forum a few days ago. Why are you on a Taycan forum if you bought a lucid.

 

[cccmanhattan]

At this point I've had two separate test drives in a Lucid. First a Grand Touring, then a Touring. By power and Acceleration figures, the Lucid GT is comparable to a Taycan Turbo, where the Touring version is faster than the 4S, but not quite turbo. I found the power of the Touring was more than adequate, as are the options available in that trim.

Overall, the ride felt more comfort focused than sporty. Taycan steering and chassis dynamics are in-tune with feedback and driver orientation, where the Lucid focuses more on serenity and calmness. Even in the fastest mode, the Lucid falls short of being "in touch with the road" like Porsche has mastered so well. Lucid Air is no slouch, and it does a great job of going fast, but without some of the exhilaration you get out of a Taycan.

Both cars are heavy, but luckily both of them do a good job of hiding that. Lucid's chassis floated nicely down the road. Inside, the cabin felt not too sparse, and in many ways better ergonomics than the Porsche. I found the volume roller knob, and the HVAC controls felt cheap, but were a welcome presence to exist (I hate only touch screen access). Things just seemed to be placed in a more sensible place on the Lucid, and hey, dedicated track forward/backward buttons!

In the end there were pros/cons to both cars. I had a deposit for a Lucid Touring a few weeks ago but ultimately cancelled it, to buy a used '21 Taycan 4 CT (my 3rd Taycan). See, I want to get onboard with the Lucid so badly. But the forums paint a scary picture. Sure let's face it any forums are "woe is me" and this is no better. But some of the mfg blemishes in the Lucid remind me of my early Tesla model S days-- and I'm over that. I felt safer going with a legacy auto maker right now.

But... I still yearn for a Lucid. Right now you can do an 18 month lease on a Lucid Touring for VERY little money, and that is the way i'd suggest anyone get into one. Low term, small risk, reasonable expectations.

I'm curious to hear how you've had three Taycans already, what the impetus was to trade-in upgrade and how they all compare to each other.

 

[arijaycomet]

I'm curious to hear how you've had three Taycans already, what the impetus was to trade-in upgrade and how they all compare to each other.

At the risk of going off-subject here from the OP's post, I'll keep my reply as brief as I can. First it is worth noting I've owned 102 cars in the last ~30 years, with 11 swaps in 2022 alone. I've got ADHD when it comes to keeping cars, but also have made some money the past few years thanks to the market.

First Taycan was a 4S, and was ~$125k as configured. I felt the $105k Audi eTron GT was a better price point, but I sold that 4S because the market was hot and I was able to enjoy it just a few short months at no cost. Second Taycan was a Turbo (non-S) that was ~$165k MSRP that I picked up used for ~$140k. It was a great car, but it was black and it was still IMO too spendy; I was never going to really use the extra power it had, didn't love the color, and again after ~60 days had a chance to unload for break even. So that was that.

Long story short (too late?) when the wagons came out I wanted one. Been waiting to watch market soften, and purchased the lowest cost Taycan 4 CT on the market a few weeks ago. I'll enjoy this car through winter, but already have my eyes on spring time car swaps. Because, of course I do...

 

[cccmanhattan]

At the risk of going off-subject here from the OP's post, I'll keep my reply as brief as I can. First it is worth noting I've owned 102 cars in the last ~30 years, with 11 swaps in 2022 alone. I've got ADHD when it comes to keeping cars, but also have made some money the past few years thanks to the market.

First Taycan was a 4S, and was ~$125k as configured. I felt the $105k Audi eTron GT was a better price point, but I sold that 4S because the market was hot and I was able to enjoy it just a few short months at no cost. Second Taycan was a Turbo (non-S) that was ~$165k MSRP that I picked up used for ~$140k. It was a great car, but it was black and it was still IMO too spendy; I was never going to really use the extra power it had, didn't love the color, and again after ~60 days had a chance to unload for break even. So that was that.

Long story short (too late?) when the wagons came out I wanted one. Been waiting to watch market soften, and purchased the lowest cost Taycan 4 CT on the market a few weeks ago. I'll enjoy this car through winter, but already have my eyes on spring time car swaps. Because, of course I do...

Wow, awesome! That is some serious ADHD.

I have an early 4SCT (took delivery Nov 2021) and have a 2020 Turbo with my business. I've been curious about the better range and performance of af the GTS ST, at least on paper and am starting to wonder if it might be worth trading up, although I've always imagined sticking with my CT for the long haul. I already have 28k miles on it.

 

[arijaycomet]

Wow, awesome! That is some serious ADHD.

I have an early 4SCT (took delivery Nov 2021) and have a 2020 Turbo with my business. I've been curious about the better range and performance of af the GTS ST, at least on paper and am starting to wonder if it might be worth trading up, although I've always imagined sticking with my CT for the long haul. I already have 28k miles on it.

Keeping somewhat "on topic" here -- I think it all comes down to what you prioritize actually. For me the Lucid Air Touring that I had a deposit on last month was a great car option, but I'm 5'3" (short dude! and my wife is the same height). The back seat was overkill for our < 5 ft tall teenager. But for me it was the forums that "killed it" for me. The issues Taycan owners talk about having seemed feasible and there are 3x Porsche dealers within a 45min drive of me. Lucid's nearest service center is 150+ miles away, and mobile techs can only do so much.

On that same note, the Turbo Taycan was amazing, but the function of the car wasn't that much better. I do think the GTS is the sweet spot, and a GTS ST would be the best of all wordsl. I love a good practical wagon, with only maybe a fastback (think Tesla Model S) would be better. First half of this year I owned a Polestar 2 and size/function of that car was GREAT. interior was a bit cramped, and the handling/dynamics were a bit too "Volvo" for me, but after 13k miles I really was sad to ditch that car, but again my "car ADHD" got the better of me.

If someone can deal with some growing pains/niggles, I think the Lucid isn't a half bad car. And the packaging bests any trim Taycan; it is just spacious inside, and great storage too. But the fit/finish of the Porsche is a bit better, and for the most part, the software/UX just works better. However over time as Lucid improves, I think the main reason one will choose the Porsche > Lucid will be the chassis/steering. As other said.

For now I'll enjoy my CT 4 ...

 

[Hirschaj]

Nogas - do you work for lucid? Noticed you just joined the forum a few days ago. Why are you on a Taycan forum if you bought a lucid.

Don't forget about Denis (danielims) too. He has exactly 1 post on this forum and its only purpose is to gush about Lucid. It's fine if people want to do that, but at least make it clear why you are shilling an ugly car on forum dedicated to beautiful ones (that also happen to be fantastic vehicles).

 

[Nogas]

Nogas - do you work for lucid? Noticed you just joined the forum a few days ago. Why are you on a Taycan forum if you bought a lucid.

I'm addressing some misconceptions being posted here. Came across this chat while googling

 

[Nogas]

Don't forget about Denis (danielims) too. He has exactly 1 post on this forum and its only purpose is to gush about Lucid. It's fine if people want to do that, but at least make it clear why you are shilling an ugly car on forum dedicated to beautiful ones (that also happen to be fantastic vehicles).

Here is another video about Lucid engineering. Don't put Lucid down, aknowledge due when its is appropriate dont yoy think?

 

[Hirschaj]

Here is another video about Lucid engineering. Don't put Lucid down, aknowledge due when its is appropriate dont yoy think?

I put down Lucids looks. That's well and truly deserved criticism for a car that looks like a 90s Buick, don't you think? Are you going to post another video now?

 

[Pete85]

But for EV's , range is king.

This I dont understand at all. I have driven my Taycan 4S several times from Stockholm to Bavaria/ Tirol and never have had any problems. The time for the 1800 km is max 1 hour more than in my earlier car 2016 M3. The Ionity infrastructure is fantastic already now and it's building more and more all the time. No waitings either.
Who wants to drive a car over 350 km without stopping? Not me for sure.
Also I have driven twice from Helsinki to Rovaniemi and had to use other chargers than Ionity, too. Requires a little more time but no problems either.
Range in an EV is totally overrated. At least for me.

Sponsored