Newbie question on home chargers

[W1NGE]

I'm struggling to understand. What is a PMCC and don't have a pool.

I'm trying to work out what I ask the installer for.

PMCC is Porsche Mobile Charger Connect (22kW)

PMC+ is Porsche Mobile Charger Plus.

Both are EVSEs.

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[Scandinavian]

Depending on the actual supply you may not get precisely 11kW - this is why the PMC+ is rated at 9.6kW and I would guess other branded EVSEs will provide the same. To get 9.6kW you still need 3 phase.

The PMC+ is rated at 11 kW here in France, but requires 3 phase.

The 9.6 rating I think is gor the US??

 

[W1NGE]

The PMC+ is rated at 11 kW here in France, but requires 3 phase.

The 9.6 rating I think is gor the US??

Yep could be but I didn't want to overstate.

Either way it's a perfect choice to start the EV adventure.

 

[Scandinavian]

I'm struggling to understand. What is a PMCC and don't have a pool.

I'm trying to work out what I ask the installer for.

What you will need is the upgrade that you discuss with Enedis to get three phase into your property.

The installer for the cable you need to ask is to provide a suitable cable and safety devices for an installation of an EVSE with up to 11 kW power. And if you chose one of the installers from the link I sent, they will be able to quote the cable and all as well.

If you then choose to have that done with a socket and plug for the EVSE like the Porsche Mobile Charger + or any other fixed EVSE hardwired is your choice.

I only mentioned the pool pumps since they can run 24/7 in summertime and draw a lot of power.

 

[Scandinavian]

Yep could be but I didn't want to overstate.

Either way it's a perfect choice to start the EV adventure.

Yes absolutely a perfect start. No need yo pay anything extra. Having said that I still use our Tesla Wall Connector much more than the Porsche supplied PMCC. I find it much easier to use and better cable length.

 

[Kev946]

OK thanks I think I'm understanding. So am I correct in saying I could have just a 3 Phase plug installed and use the PMCC. Is this an accessories and is the spec on the Porsche website?

Thanks four your help and sorry for being dumb

 

[Scandinavian]

OK thanks I think I'm understanding. So am I correct in saying I could have just a 3 Phase plug installed and use the PMCC. Is this an accessories and is the spec on the Porsche website?

Thanks four your help and sorry for being dumb

Check what the spec of your car says. It looks like the PMCC is included in the price here in France. Just make sure you tick the option for the free cables for it. It needs to be a plug for 3 phase and rated at 16 amps at least. Standard CEE plug.

Your Sales advisor or the Porsche Guru at the dealer must be able to guide you. If you miss a cable that is free and want to buy it later, it can be costly. These cables are not cheap from Porsche

Below is a photo of the Porsche France configurator.

 

[W1NGE]

OK thanks I think I'm understanding. So am I correct in saying I could have just a 3 Phase plug installed and use the PMCC. Is this an accessories and is the spec on the Porsche website?

Thanks four your help and sorry for being dumb

You aren't being dumb at all.

To be clear on EVSE - have you specified the PMCC or will you take the standard one (PMC+)?

PMC+.on your 3 phase will give you up to 11kW (perfect).

As mentioned also.ensure you have the correctly rated cables for your setup.

Your dealer shop be able to advise once you confirm to them what your electrical supply will be ie 3 phase.

 

[daveo4EV]

The PMC+ is rated at 11 kW here in France, but requires 3 phase.

The 9.6 rating I think is gor the US??

9.6 kW is max for all "mobile" EVSE's in North America.

 

[Scandinavian]

You aren't being dumb at all.

To be clear on EVSE - have you specified the PMCC or will you take the standard one (PMC+)?

PMC+.on your 3 phase will give you up to 11kW (perfect).

As mentioned also.ensure you have the correctly rated cables for your setup.

Your dealer shop be able to advise once you confirm to them what your electrical supply will be ie 3 phase.

seems the PMCC is the standard spec here in France! Together with a 32 amp plug so will be good for 22 kW!

 

[Kev946]

Check what the spec of your car says. It looks like the PMCC is included in the price here in France. Just make sure you tick the option for the free cables for it. It needs to be a plug for 3 phase and rated at 16 amps at least. Standard CEE plug.

Your Sales advisor or the Porsche Guru at the dealer must be able to guide you. If you miss a cable that is free and want to buy it later, it can be costly. These cables are not cheap from Porsche

Below is a photo of the Porsche France configurator.

Thanks will check the configurator. I've been using the UK and France.

seems the PMCC is the standard spec here in France! Together with a 32 amp plug so will be good for 22 kW!

So just to clarify, is the PMCC 22kw come with a 3 phase plug. Does anyone have a picture of one?

Thanks

 

[Scandinavian]

Thanks will check the configurator. I've been using the UK and France.

So just to clarify, is the PMCC 22kw come with a 3 phase plug. Does anyone have a picture of one?

Thanks

Here you go!
The plug that was installed

The EVSE installed

The plug that was supplies 3phase plus neutral and earth protection

 

[W1NGE]

Thanks will check the configurator. I've been using the UK and France.

So just to clarify, is the PMCC 22kw come with a 3 phase plug. Does anyone have a picture of one?

Thanks

Got to the configurator and check the standard features tab for the car it will be something like:

Check the line 'Supply cable for industrial electrical outlet...'. In the example above the supply cable is only rated for single phase and so you will need the following option (note that this substitutes the 230V, 32A cable you get by default).

On the UK configurator the Porsche Mobile Charger Connect (PMCC) is not currently listed (this is another problem as it is not clear if this is due to supply issues or other issues).

If you can get a PMCC (and that is an 'if' at the moment) then remember that you will not be able to take full advantage of it unless you also upgrade the onboard AC charger to 22kW (perhaps you have?) and therefore your charging power will be limited to 11kW at home and at public chargers.

To add both the PMCC (if available) and 22kW On-board AC charger is ridiculously expensive (there are plenty of cheaper alternatives) but perhaps that's not a concern.

The above picture is the PMCC somewhat randomly shown in this picture as it isn't a charger and as we've explained earlier the charger is physically in the car (for both AC and DC charging). These accompanying text is however correct.

The standard Porsche Mobile Charger Plus (PMC+) is the sensible / cheapest option to get started with. In otherwords, if you don't upgrade the on-board AC charger to 22kW then the max AC power the car can take both at home and at public charging locations is 11kW.

Note also the standard length of the EVSE to vehicle cable - default is 4.5m and the option for a longer one is 7.5m. Again, take care here as it looks like the configurator doesn't list the longer one for the PMCC presumably as the PMCC is not currently / longer available.

Can you clarify your overall requirement(s) and use cases so that we can filter out some of the 'noise' on the advice given if needed?

PMC+

PMCC

Same basic lozenge shape, PMCC has the touch panel, much heavier, taller, WiFI (incl hotspot), up to 22kW.

 

[W1NGE]

Here you go!
The plug that was installed

The EVSE installed

The plug that was supplies 3phase plus neutral and earth protection

Ah, ok - didn't realise PMCC is standard for France!

Is the on-board AC charger the basic 11kW or is it also 22kW?

If so then this is a no brainer assuming 3 phase is installed!

 

[W1NGE]

Ah, ok - didn't realise PMCC is standard for France!

Is the on-board AC charger the basic 11kW or is it also 22kW?

If so then this is a no brainer assuming 3 phase is installed!

My French is pretty weak but forget the PMC+ as PMCC and the correct industrial supply cable is standard equipment.

The only decision then beyond installing 3 phase is whether to upgrade the on-board AC charger to take 22kW - if so then you have a fantastic home setup and a great solution for faster public AC charging if DC isn't available.

Ensure your Electrician installs the Red industrial receptacle as pictured above and you'll be sorted.

Looks like they thought this through properly in France!

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