Porsche’s valuation of Taycan

[Alemany]

This forum has many (many) threads (and posts) for Taycan complaints.
And praise.
Where the balance is, especially account for self-selection bias, I have no idea.
But characterizing this forum as comprising only Taycan praise with any complaints somehow being suppressed or otherwise discouraged ... ?

Was reacting to the post that implied taycans were awesome with no complains. (Paraphrasing). I know is balanced. In fact I myself have praised the Taycan as a mechanical car. Orders of magnitude better than Tesla for example. But terribly buggy as a EV with software, orders of magnitude worse than Tesla in that respect.

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[IcanTaycan]

I heard your pov, everybody knows the car is terrible as an EV.

I have a 2022 Cross Turismo version and absolutely love it. I know a bunch of people who own a taycan and love it too. Basically, I heard your pov but everybody I know knows the car is as awesome as a car can get

 

[Hirschaj]

Yeah, I’m making it up, cus even in this forum you cant find even one complaint….

Hey man, I empathize with you. It sounds like you had a terrible experience overall and that just sucks. Nobody should have to deal with that crap, but it happens. To say "how terribly defective the majority of Taycans are" is an emotional statement that is open to a wide range of interpretation. My Taycan has gotten the spinning circle 3 times in 1 year. It's a defect, but a very minor one for me that fixes itself in short order. I live with it and I hope the new software update fixes it like it's supposed to. I also know I'm not the unlucky person with a lemon and I'm grateful for that. Again, sorry for your terrible experience and I understand how that could translate into the rest of your statements.

 

[Alemany]

Hey man, I empathize with you. It sounds like you had a terrible experience overall and that just sucks. Nobody should have to deal with that crap, but it happens. To say "how terribly defective the majority of Taycans are" is an emotional statement that is open to a wide range of interpretation. My Taycan has gotten the spinning circle 3 times in 1 year. It's a defect, but a very minor one for me that fixes itself in short order. I live with it and I hope the new software update fixes it like it's supposed to. I also know I'm not the unlucky person with a lemon and I'm grateful for that. Again, sorry for your terrible experience and I understand how that could translate into the rest of your statements.

Thanks. As I have said in many other posts. I like and enjoy my Taycan. I am pissed at the software defects , which should have been found before selling it. It makes me feel I got a beta product and I paid to help them figure out the bugs. But as a car, it is fantastic. However I am not a person who says oh it’s a Porsche. It must be perfect. I am realistic about the product. And I know a lot of people in my situation. So my car is not an anomaly. Great car sucky software.

 

[Archimedes]

It’s my third Porsche….

Since when? If at least 5+ years ago, you should have known better. They depreciate.

 

[Archimedes]

Yeah, I’m making it up, cus even in this forum you cant find even one complaint….

You know there’s a huge distance between you having problems and ‘every Taycan being defective’, right?

Search up the reliability and would you buy a Taycan again polls on here. You’ll see that the overwhelming majority of folks on here have had few problems and would buy another Taycan.

It sucks that you’ve had problems, but you’re projecting your issues on everyone else, which is just nonsense. The plural of anecdote is not data.

 

[Plumley32]

Everything is relative to what you have experienced.
I have a 2023 Taycan ST rwd. Love it, its a really well made car and yes I wasn't an early adopter of the Tayan back in 2019/2020 so probably I'm getting a more polished car than they did back then.
However, compared to my 2021 Land Rover Defender that has a lot less tech, the Porsche is far more reliable and less software bugs.

Now, if you really want a buggy product...... I spent 2 years waiting for my wife's new car, a FISKER Ocean One. Launch edition. Finally arrived (late) end of last month. Owned the car for 48 hours before it went back to FISKER under UK distance selling regulations for a refund as it WAS TERRIBLE.... to the point where you had to deal with radar safety system warning lights coming on, driver info screen going off, half of the promised features not available, no android auto or apple play, no driver settings memory (every setup had to be re configured every drive) and laughable only 1 key (the app hadn't been configured yet to do anything) and that key didn't work properly either! Rant over. But my point is sometimes you need to experience more rubbish to appreciate the good.
I wish FISKER all the best (the hardware and driveability of the car was good) but they have sent out a product that needs a lot more work,... but was I expecting too much being an early adopter of a new car? It made owning the Taycan that bit more enjoyable knowing its made that bit better.....

 

[Scandinavian]

Thanks. As I have said in many other posts. I like and enjoy my Taycan. I am pissed at the software defects , which should have been found before selling it. It makes me feel I got a beta product and I paid to help them figure out the bugs. But as a car, it is fantastic. However I am not a person who says oh it’s a Porsche. It must be perfect. I am realistic about the product. And I know a lot of people in my situation. So my car is not an anomaly. Great car sucky software.

This I can agree with! But it does not mean that Taycan is a terrible EV or a defective product.
Yes the SW in the PCM is perhaps not even at beta level.
Yes ther have been a number of HW faults ( I have had bad battery modules, bad charger HW issues, gateway HW issues, communication HW module issues, heater HW issues). Some issues I had taken into account when I knew I bought the car very early in 2020 (produced 2019).

But apart from The battery module fault and the heater fault, the cat has performed extremely well, disregarding the buggy PCM!

The Taycan is no worse than my early 996, which also had a lot of first generation problems, RMS, IMS, etc.

Still love driving the Taycan on long road trips and continue to do so. Quiet, fast, practical, comfortable and economic.

 

[DES_MX]

2023 model I have (CT4) is pretty flawless SW wise, 8 months of ownership and only minor issues:

- 2-3 times the PCM was stuck (and only 1 time I had to let it sit for some time to unblock), rest just 2 finger reset worked flawless
- 2 times PCM touch functionality gone until restart of car (still working from climate control trackpad).
- 2 times the charge port took longer to unlock than usual (like 30 seconds waiting and pressing), but no complex debugging was needed, just unlocked later than normal
- 3-4 times issues handshaking a charger

In comparison. BMW i4 M50 (previous car):

- idrive 8 did same issue as Taycan - stuck on boot. Had to walk away from car and lock and let it sit, so literally same issues. Happened maybe 2-3 times as well
- plenty of times issue handshaking a charger
- touch screen becomes unresponsive progressively (overheat?) in sunny weather
- screen goes blank then restarts

Tesla Model 3 (2022 and 2019 model):

- Screen reboots itself (happens often, every 10 trips or so, both 2019 and 2022 models)
- Spotify stops working / streaming
- glitchy autopilot software (phantom breaking) that can freakout anyone and cause an accident


So.... all cars are software driven nowdays and all are glitchy. Taycan not more not less.

 

[whitex]

I am pissed at the software defects , which should have been found before selling it. It makes me feel I got a beta product and I paid to help them figure out the bugs.

Welcome to software defined products. No software is bug free. The closer you want to come to bug free, the longer it takes to write and validate, so you end up with things like the military using decade old chip designs or operating systems because they only now got qualified to be used in a critical application. I remember Obama complaining that the most recent phone he was allowed to use was an old Blackberry, because that was the latest vetted phone.

Today you have 2 choices, you either go with the Tesla approach, where you get continuous updates - a perma-Beta solution, but you always have the latest. Or, you go with traditional approach, a much more thoroughly tested software, however you are not going to be getting any updates quick, since every update must go through such thorough testing. So your choices are:

1. Less chances of encountering a bug, but any bugs will take a long time (a year+) to fix
2. More changes of encountering a bug, but fixes can be lightening fast (within days for critical bugs)

Pick your poison. Approach 2 has a dark side too - allows the company to ship unfinished product with promises that it will work some day soon - I wish Tesla would not abuse OTA that like this.

 

[tigerbalm]

Now, if you really want a buggy product...... I spent 2 years waiting for my wife's new car, a FISKER Ocean One.

I don't follow this manufacturer at all – but it's shares took a significant tumble yesterday. Sounds like it is really hard to get a new car manufacturer off the ground. And your experience is replicated across its user community.

https://electrek.co/2023/11/14/fisker-takes-another-tumble-slashes-production-forecast/

 

[007]

Can someone please explain to me why the software in the Taycan sucks? Maybe I don’t know how to use the car correctly, because I mostly enjoy driving it like a bandit, and just use the following software related items: the speedometer with speed limit, dial knob on the wheel to switch to individual mode, wireless Apple CarPlay, the two diamond buttons (skip track and sport sound), the option to change color in ambient lighting, seat vent, music volume, car lift, and sometimes the navigation. These options all work, always. Am I missing an exciting software experience, besides the fart button, by not driving a Tesla?

 

[The Riddler]

Can someone please explain to me why the software in the Taycan sucks? Maybe I don’t know how to use the car correctly, because I mostly enjoy driving it like a bandit, and just use the following software related items: the speedometer with speed limit, dial knob on the wheel to switch to individual mode, wireless Apple CarPlay, the two diamond buttons (skip track and sport sound), the option to change color in ambient lighting, seat vent, music volume, car lift, and sometimes the navigation. These options all work, always. Am I missing an exciting software experience, besides the fart button, by not driving a Tesla?

This is exactly my experience (pretty much down to the diamond buttons too!)

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

[...] I mostly enjoy driving it like a bandit, and just use the following software related items: the speedometer with speed limit [..]

(insert "most interesting man" meme)
I don't always drive like a bandit, but when I do, it's with the speedometer on the speed limit.

 

[007]

(insert "most interesting man" meme)
I don't always drive like a bandit, but when I do, it's with the speedometer on the speed limit.

Well that came out completely wrong!! ??‍

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