Taycan the (front) tyre killer!

[f1eng]

My 20" Turbo Aero wheels came with Michelin Pilot Sport 4s as standard. NFO rated.

Just don't think they do them in 21"?

That is great, I had read somewhere that it was just the Pirellis, wrong again.

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[Vercingetorix]

Let’s be clear the Michelins on the Taycan are the 4, not the 4S, there is a difference.

 

[aatothek]

I have had my 4s saloon for 2 weeks now on mission-e's with 21" Pirelli Elect. I've noticed when pulling out of the drive and turning full lock into the lane to pull away, it rounding 90 degree corners around town at walking pace the outside front tyre does an awfully loud grumble and scrabbles its way for grip around the corner.
Thinking of mechanical sympathy for the tyres, this can't Bose well for their longevity.
OP are you perhaps experiencing anything like this?

 

[MY22PCT]

Hi all,

Is anyone else suffering from ridiculous front tyre degradation on their Taycan 4S? I know that I am, in fact I may hold the current record for worse tyre wear to-date! Here are my stats: Pirelli Zero P 265/35 ZR 21 101 Y

Front set replaced at 6008 miles having been condemned as unsafe and dangerous by my Porsche dealer. Rear tyres - barely a mark on them. After a minimum of of research (and a maximum of finger pointing) it was decided (by them) that this was untypical and down to my 'driving style' and the condition of the roads . Hmmm I said, so what you're implying is that by my driving the car on normal roads, at normal speeds this will always be the outcome? No they said, drive carefully within the limits of the vehicle and things will almost certainly improve. But I said, I have had Mercedes high performance cars for the last 10 years and have always managed to get at least 12,000 miles from my tyres, all without the benefit of AWD. My driving style hasn't changed since those times (largely due to range anxiety) so why is it a problem now? We can't comment on that sir, they replied.

Front set due for replacement again at 10,300 miles!!! Rear set - going strong. So having made a conscious effort to maintain the highest driving standards (in light of my earlier shock at finding I have been doing it wrong all these years), the net result is that this set of tyres have fared even worse than the first set. The 4292 miles they have managed is absurd... but not according to my dealer! 'We are seeing this more and more sir' they explained. 'It's all to do with the weight of the car at the front, it's a very heavy car sir as you know'. How many other owners are reporting the same problem I enquired? You know where the front tyres are having to be replaced on average every 5150 miles? 'We have a few issues on this subject that are known to us sir', they responded. And so on......

The upshot is that getting Porsche to admit to a specific problem is like pulling teeth without anaesthetic; painful in the extreme and a last resort.

Here's the serious point. Do any other owners have similar experiences? If so, what reasons have been given as to explain the problem? How have you been treated by your dealer? I have a couple of tyre centre/garage owning contacts and they say they have never seen anything like this on any Porsche model that have been driven reasonably. At £550 a tyre (plus re-balancing) this is starting to get on my nerves, so any help would be appreciated. For the record the wear is even across each tyre.

Many thanks.

Hi

mine’s a 1st March ‘22 Turbo S Cross Turismo with 15,500 miles on the clock. Both fronts just replaced 500 mies ago.

Rears replaced by dealer in August due to a puncture. At that stage they had 5.3mm. The replacements now have 3mm.

I was charged £564 for a pair of identical PZero replacements from Kwik Fit. Fitter said they’re seeing about 12,000 miles on Taycan and they do a lot: that’s Cheshire for you!

Hope this helps.

 

[Pope]

Just having a browse through the forums being new to the site; I am a tech at Porsche so interested in how the Taycan is developing - I felt compelled to ask some questions to see if the tyre wear rate can be related to anything specific.

Which drive model - 2wd/4wd?
Performance - S/GTS/T/TS?
Which suspension spec? - air/steel?
Which level setting do you predominantly drive on? - normal/low/lowered?
Which drive mode do you use mostly? - range/normal/sport/sport plus?
What tyre pressures do you run -Comfort/Full load?
What's your go-to (cruising) motorway speed?
Do you use regen mode?

The OP hasn't been on this thread for a while - did you resolve the issue?

 

[W1NGE]

Just having a browse through the forums being new to the site; I am a tech at Porsche so interested in how the Taycan is developing - I felt compelled to ask some questions to see if the tyre wear rate can be related to anything specific.

Which drive model - 2wd/4wd?
Performance - S/GTS/T/TS?
Which suspension spec? - air/steel?
Which level setting do you predominantly drive on? - normal/low/lowered?
Which drive mode do you use mostly? - range/normal/sport/sport plus?
What tyre pressures do you run -Comfort/Full load?
What's your go-to (cruising) motorway speed?
Do you use regen mode?

The OP hasn't been on this thread for a while - did you resolve the issue?

Hmm.

Only one of the models listed has steel suspension and there is no 'S' model.

You are also missing a drive mode - Individual.

There is no 4-WD either - all wheel drive is not 4-WD.

A few key questions also missing - tyre type, wheel size, PDCC optioned, PTV+ from your queries.

How familiar are you with Porsche never mind the Taycan?

 

[Pope]

Hmm.

Only one of the models listed has steel suspension and there is no 'S' model.

You are also missing a drive mode - Individual.

There is no 4-WD either - all wheel drive is not 4-WD.

A few key questions also missing - tyre type, wheel size, PDCC optioned, PTV+ from your queries.

How familiar are you with Porsche never mind the Taycan?

Any ideas on the cause of tyre wear so far?

 

[W1NGE]

Any ideas on the cause of tyre wear so far?

I've not experienced degradation - 2 years, 18.3k miles on Michelin P4S and going strong.

I think anything non Michelin just wears quicker and if you have a heavy right foot and like to launch then that won't help either.

AWD models should wear evenly.

Perhaps tracking and alignment are off where wear is worst.

 

[Pope]

OP; slow down and buy Michelins #thumbsup

 

[f1eng]

all wheel drive is not 4-WD

Really?

 

[W1NGE]

Really?

As you know I'm no Engineer so I may well be utterly wrong here!

Different levels of power can be sent to each of the four wheels with AWD whereas 4-WD the power distribution is the same. Apparently there are 4 types of AWD and my guess is that Porsche uses the automatic implementation - normally 2-WD and then when a wheel slips and the driveshaft to that wheel rotates faster traction control then kicks in and power is then sent by engaging the other axle to control / stop the slipping.

Using Google is a dangerous thing (!) but is this not correct?

 

[Scandinavian]

Only one of the models listed has steel suspension and there is no 'S' model.

Isn’t there a Taycan and a Taycan 4S? I took that to mean the S model.

 

[W1NGE]

Isn’t there a Taycan and a Taycan 4S? I took that to mean the S model.

Yes but there was no mention of the base model and all the variants listed were AWD. Some folk also refer to the base model as an 'S' which typically exists in other Porsche models along with a base model.

 

[f1eng]

As you know I'm no Engineer so I may well be utterly wrong here!

Different levels of power can be sent to each of the four wheels with AWD whereas 4-WD the power distribution is the same. Apparently there are 4 types of AWD and my guess is that Porsche uses the automatic implementation - normally 2-WD and then when a wheel slips and the driveshaft to that wheel rotates faster traction control then kicks in and power is then sent by engaging the other axle to control / stop the slipping.

Using Google is a dangerous thing (!) but is this not correct?

I would say the difference is probably debatable semantics. Based on that almost nothing is 4WD any more.

IMO any vehicle capable of driving all 4 wheels is both 4WD and AWD.

In reality, something like a Land Rover simple 4WD system the power distribution is never "the same" depending on settings, traction conditions and even model options.
If there is a differential lock the speed of both wheels on that axle is forced to be the same but that doesn't mean power to each will be - the one with the most grip gets the most power. Ditto if the central distribution is locked. Also on a Landy free-wheeling hubs are optional at the front to mechanically disconnect the front axle from power for better on road efficiency and to avoid driveline windup.

Specifically the Taycan could perhaps have either definition, depending on whether torque vectoring is fitted.

The Rivian - which I think is brilliant though I would never have a use for one - has 4 wheel motors and whatever the stability control system computes as optimum is what speed and torque level the tyre gets. Splendid but yet another difference, though could be encompassed in that AWD definition.

So, for me, AWD and 4WD both apply to a multitude different types of system, though somebody somewhere has decided to describe them differently on the internet. In the world of off roading it may be significant in peoples minds.

 

[Dee]

To my knowledge, 4WD is only a correct term if the vehicle is capable of switching from 2WD to 4WD by locking hubs in the front wheels or a switch lever.
With AWD that's not possible as it's permanent, hence the newer term "AWD".

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