Used Taycan GTS v new Macan GTS

[brin1960]

If you're going to live with an expensive car, getting the options you want on it is important IMO. £72k is still a lot of money.

I'm also not sure I fully agree with the generally held belief that options do no retain their value. There will be some circumstances where it might hold true
... But the market for cars with a pano roof, for example, is going to be a chunk wider than for cars without (Frank notwithstanding). So cars will sell more readily and two sat next to each other on a lot will show a price difference as a result.

Yes I think you are right - seen one for £9k more but with 21

Taycan.
Period.
Why?
IMO,because it’s the best looking EV…and best driving experience.

agree 100% - amazing car- but buying privately and wonder whether it will be worth about £25k in three years time as opposed to the Macan which would still be worth 70% +

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[Andics]

I would solve the dilemma with this one

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[Murph7355]

Yes I think you are right - seen one for £9k more but with 21

agree 100% - amazing car- but buying privately and wonder whether it will be worth about £25k in three years time as opposed to the Macan which would still be worth 70% +

Don't you have a residual of 47k on the Taycan?

And will a Macan really be worth 70% of value in 3yrs?

What about the additional costs of the Macan in that time?

 

[kempez]

Personally having had a Macan GTS as a loaner for a few days last week, it is totally night and day in terms of car.

• The drive is leagues apart. A lot of this is the electric drivetrain vs a fairly underpowered (imo), ICE engine
• The gearbox on the Macan feels ancient for some reason....it would have been interesting to see what a manual would be like with the same engine
• Interior-wise the Macan felt incredibly dated comparted to the Taycan and the one I had didn't have a dial on the steering wheel for modes so this really screwed it over
• The normal drive mode is honestly awful to drive. Slow response time, ages to change down gears and felt stupidly sluggish
• I personally think the Taycan looks entire leagues apart from the Macan, albeit the newer e-Macan looks nicer
• Petrol stations suck ?
• Interior space was better in the Macan, has to be said

Anyway, a lot of this may be fairly personal to me but it's a no-contest between them

 

[W1NGE]

Yes I think you are right - seen one for £9k more but with 21

agree 100% - amazing car- but buying privately and wonder whether it will be worth about £25k in three years time as opposed to the Macan which would still be worth 70% +

Macan will not be worth 70% of purchase price - not even 911s achieve that. Factor a loss of £10K per year and you'll be close to the mark. A car loaded with options will suffer more than one without.

 

[brin1960]

Personally having had a Macan GTS as a loaner for a few days last week, it is totally night and day in terms of car.

• The drive is leagues apart. A lot of this is the electric drivetrain vs a fairly underpowered (imo), ICE engine
• The gearbox on the Macan feels ancient for some reason....it would have been interesting to see what a manual would be like with the same engine
• Interior-wise the Macan felt incredibly dated comparted to the Taycan and the one I had didn't have a dial on the steering wheel for modes so this really screwed it over
• The normal drive mode is honestly awful to drive. Slow response time, ages to change down gears and felt stupidly sluggish
• I personally think the Taycan looks entire leagues apart from the Macan, albeit the newer e-Macan looks nicer
• Petrol stations suck ?
• Interior space was better in the Macan, has to be said

Anyway, a lot of this may be fairly personal to me but it's a no-contest between them

That can’t have been the latest Macan as it would have had the dial on the steering

 

[brin1960]

Macan will not be worth 70% of purchase price - not even 911s achieve that. Factor a loss of £10K per year and you'll be close to the mark. A car loaded with options will suffer more than one without.

Who knows - last of the ICE Macan’s may be desirable. If it was Gen 2 Taycan with 360 miles range and fast charging it would be a no brainer. The old Taycans will depreciate badly due to old battery tech

 

[kempez]

That can’t have been the latest Macan as it would have had the dial on the steering

OK. It was a 23 plate so probably last MY. Much changes between those? I cannot see changes making a big enough difference to the car

 

[f1eng]

... But the market for cars with a pano roof, for example, is going to be a chunk wider than for cars without (Frank notwithstanding). So cars will sell more readily and two sat next to each other on a lot will show a price difference as a result.

Here I am

I followed a Taycan with ally roof yesterday and was reminded how much better it looked.

I wouldn’t actually expect a pano roof to add to the used value since they almost all have one - it is finding a used one without that may be a problem if you don’t want it.

Looks nicer, lower weight and doesn’t crack v ugly and a bit lighter in the back is, as you intimate, and easy one for me.

It is hard to see where the bottleneck is when I use the filter for options but massage seats - which have turned out to probably be my family’s favourite option - goes from 25+ to 3, and all of them have privacy glass, which is one of my absolute no-no options and a key attraction of a Taycan since so few cars of any make are available without.

 

[W1NGE]

Who knows - last of the ICE Macan’s may be desirable. If it was Gen 2 Taycan with 360 miles range and fast charging it would be a no brainer. The old Taycans will depreciate badly due to old battery tech

Pretty sure it won't be (much as you'd like it to be) that desirable - I would guess around 58% residual after 3 years (which is good).

Taycan battery tech hasn't changed for the facelift - different chemistry but not really tech. This is not the primary reason for depreciation and more to do with a confused market in UK, a government which is sending out the wrong signals on EV migration (2030 was pushed to 2035), and front loading of EV depreciation by finance companies - 3 years depreciation in year 1 - 2.

Facelift Taycans (Gen 2) will not achieve these WLTP numbers (these are lab figures) - real life range whilst better than Gen 1 will be perhaps 75 miles (depending on wheels, tyres, ambient temp etc) better which is not a reason to jump ship. Charge to the distance you need to travel for regular use / commute - mine is 8 miles return daily, comfortably within my 260 mile max range I might see on a good summer's day.

Fast charging - take that with a pinch of salt also. Gen 1 could peak at 270kW (conditions depending, low SOC of battery) from a 350kW EVSE. In 3 years I've never had anywhere close to that and Gen 2 will likely be little different. More normal (for me) is 149kW @ 50% SOC, 32C battery for a short period and then steady at 105kW. Members in warmer climbs will get much higher rates for a period but again will slow down. At the end of the day it's not really an issue unless you can only use public charging and are regularly camped out at a suitable EVSE. Truth is that most of us charge overnight at home when the car isn't required or in use.

Brand & loyalty matters and the hope is that that Porsche will wish to control their flagship EV pricing / residuals / perception otherwise they'll hit an own goal for any future EV (Macan EV included) which will be assumed to depreciate as if falling off a cliff for the next few years which will impact finance deals and private buyers alike.

 

[brin1960]

OK. It was a 23 plate so probably last MY. Much changes between those? I cannot see changes making a big enough difference to the car

Were all the controls touch screen or buttons?

 

[brin1960]

Pretty sure it won't be (much as you'd like it to be) that desirable - I would guess around 58% residual after 3 years (which is good).

Taycan battery tech hasn't changed for the facelift - different chemistry but not really tech. This is not the primary reason for depreciation and more to do with a confused market in UK, a government which is sending out the wrong signals on EV migration (2030 was pushed to 2035), and front loading of EV depreciation by finance companies - 3 years depreciation in year 1 - 2.

Facelift Taycans (Gen 2) will not achieve these WLTP numbers (these are lab figures) - real life range whilst better than Gen 1 will be perhaps 75 miles (depending on wheels, tyres, ambient temp etc) better which is not a reason to jump ship. Charge to the distance you need to travel for regular use / commute - mine is 8 miles return daily, comfortably within my 260 mile max range I might see on a good summer's day.

Fast charging - take that with a pinch of salt also. Gen 1 could peak at 270kW (conditions depending, low SOC of battery) from a 350kW EVSE. In 3 years I've never had anywhere close to that and Gen 2 will likely be little different. More normal (for me) is 149kW @ 50% SOC, 32C battery for a short period and then steady at 105kW. Members in warmer climbs will get much higher rates for a period but again will slow down. At the end of the day it's not really an issue unless you can only use public charging and are regularly camped out at a suitable EVSE. Truth is that most of us charge overnight at home when the car isn't required or in use.

Brand & loyalty matters and the hope is that that Porsche will wish to control their flagship EV pricing / residuals / perception otherwise they'll hit an own goal for any future EV (Macan EV included) which will be assumed to depreciate as if falling off a cliff for the next few years which will impact finance deals and private buyers alike.

Thanks for your informative response. I drive 40 miles to work on a Monday - stay away and do about another 50 miles around town during the week and then drive home on a Friday so no more than 150 miles a week with a very occasional long distance journey when going away for a weekend. Reallly struggling to decide so loaning one for a weekend and doing a trip!

 

[brin1960]

Don't you have a residual of 47k on the Taycan?

And will a Macan really be worth 70% of value in 3yrs?

What about the additional costs of the Macan in that time?

Only spend around £250 month on fuel
Taycan Insurance an extra £80 per month but no tax so extras are marginal

 

[tayCanadian]

Comparing a Macan to a Taycan makes zero sense to me.

 

[brin1960]

Comparing a Macan to a Taycan makes zero sense to me.

What an idiotic thing to say! I already have a Macan GTS so want a fast good handling Porsche with four seats and decent luggage space. Don’t want a Panamera or a Cayenne and, although my preference is for a Taycan, just not sure if the UK infrastructure is good enough yet and whether the G1 Taycan’s Battery tech is becoming dated already so best to wait a couple more years before making the transition.

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