Will Electric 718 EV Have NACS and/or CCS Connector(s)?

[atebit]

What do you think?

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[Jhenson29]

D: Something new.

 

[atebit]

D: Something new.

Mr. Fusion

 

[daveo4EV]

What do you think?

CCS no question - NACS would be Macan .2 at the earliest - following by the .2 718 - all the "charging" decisions are locked/loaded for any pseudo products announced and in "mule" testing - both Macan/718 are pretty well locked/loaded at this point.

 

[4424]

I wish it would be NACS but at this point I'm sure it'll be CCS because it's too far into development to change now....even though it'll probably save a lot of money if they switch to NACS.

 

[atebit]

I wish it would be NACS but at this point I'm sure it'll be CCS because it's too far into development to change now....even though it'll probably save a lot of money if they switch to NACS.

No matter the form factor, the receptacle should be a FRU. So if Porsche made the decision to switch to NACS it would just be a design on a new receptacle that fits in the existing CCS space. Since NACS is smaller than CCS it should be doable. Yes, I’m oversimplifying but you get my drift.

OTOH, IRRC MY23 still had a CD player, so…

 

[bsclywilly]

With other brands announcing just a few months ago that they’re going to equip their 2025 cars with NACS, I don’t think it’s too late for Porsche to adapt. Sounds like they’re considering delaying the launch of Macan EV anyways so this would give them the perfect chance to move to NACS. It’s going to look pretty silly of them if every other North American brand is advertising NACS and reliable charging infrastructure in 2025 and they’re not.

 

[fika]

Changing the port is a matter of plastic mouldings and some different electrical connections. The real hurdle is the software and systems that communicate with the Tesla superchargers. Superchargers also don't have card payment options at the station (looks like the V4 might be the first to get this), so you'll need either the Tesla app which right now only works for non-Tesla at the CCS enabled stations (in the USA anyway), or Porsche will have to integrate this into their own app.

 

[Alfa]

It’s not just the matter of changing the port. It’s all the road testing in the coldest and hottest of climates that takes time.

 

[daveo4EV]

also NACS is multiple plexed AC/DC - so it required different wire harnesses, and some different onboard charging hardware and software to deal with it all…

 

[atebit]

Sounds like they’re considering delaying the launch of Macan EV anyways

Until when? Does this also affect the 718 EV launch?

 

[W1NGE]

What do you think?

Not a relevant question or poll for a Taycan forum really!

FWIW - CCS2 I'd assume for most if not all markets where US might be an exception.

 

[daveo4EV]

if/when VW/Audi/Porsche go for NACS - there will be questions

• continue to offer two ports on left/right of vehicle?
• one J-1772 & one NACS
• one NACS & one CCS1?
• AC only NACS?
• DC only NACS/
• AC/DC NACS
  • one port or two ports

for example you could do

• driver's side NACS port - AC & DC charging
• passenger side CCS1 port - AC & DC charging

as just one potential configuration option

so VW/Audi/Porsceh will need to sort this out - as mentioned the problem with NACS is the fact that it's both AC & DC charging - so it requires some different on board charging hardware than can de-mux the AC/DC high voltage inputs…so it's more than just "swapping" a port - wire harness, onboard hardware, and software changes are required - unless you want to just support AC charging only - but it's less compelling to switch to NACS for AC only charging - that _IS_ just a port swap as TeslaTap proves…we already have that.

the "cleanest" solution for VW/Audi/Porsche in my opinion is an NACS adapter for supercharging…and supercharger access via app based activation.

 

[daveo4EV]

also what will VW/Audi/Porsche (and others) do for their North American hybrids? Will those go to NACS also for their L1/L2 AC charging support or remain J-1772?

 

[DougFrisk]

It will have a CCS3 connector which physically looks like the Tesla connector but is owned by the standards organization.

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