Apple Maps via Carplay Now Supports EV Charging for Taycan

[f1eng]

I have tried Waze here in the UK after being recommended by a friend in Manaus, Brazil.
It produces poor routes, taking me 28 miles longer to gain 1 potential minute which could be lost at one traffic light in one case and on a route so narrow the undergrowth scratched the paint on both sides of the car the next route I let it do.
So a route planner which chooses bad routes isn't much use to me, even if it modifies them on the fly following traffic conditions, which the PCM does anyway. I liked the various warnings it gave but overall having useful warnings on a crap route was unconvincing.

I shall try apple maps and car play to see if it is worth me doing.
I do have the potential for car play now but it only seems to work wired and disconnects my phone from the hands free system. I'm sure this can be fixed but first I needs to decide if I can be bothered with anything carplay offers - so far not.

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[Oyinko]

First look at the setup experience

 

[SteveGTS]

I used the new Carplay Nav this week, we had to go to Croatia for a few days and had a Dacia Duster rental car. I liked the polite reminders about speed cameras and the nudge from my Apple watch when approaching a turn. It's definitely much better and I will probably default to this when my Taycan arrives in a week or so.

 

[Scandinavian]

For me, I much prefer native integration and my only gripe is the shortfall in EV locations offered when typically many more (and often better) are available. In time this may improve but it's clear the data exists but for some (commercial?) reason it lags behind.

Seems like this is only available in the US for the time being as well. Hopefully it will expand soon. I also hope that Apple can introduce suitable filters to get chargers displayed of reliable networks and filter speed etc.

You have an interesting point about Charging Locations NOT being shown on the native navigator. I have the opposite problem. My display shows me all the chargers (filter set to Porsche Charging services, plus HPC>150 kW), so the display is too cluttered with information. Shows number of available chargers and total chargers even if the Porsche card or app will not start a charge there.

And it shows AND plans in charging stops at HPC that are not part of the Porsche Charging Service. Only to find that you can not start a charge in that location. I would need a separate card, app, dongle for many different providers! Frustrating when you travel through France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Sweden on a holiday trip.

I agree that the most important feature is the Battery Preheating that comes with the Porsche Planner. Might not be needed in warm US states, but certainly very valuable in our colder European countries. Maybe this feature will be enabled in the future as well.

 

[tigerbalm]

FWIW, I've asked them the question about battery pre-conditioning when using Apple Maps EV routing vs native navigation.

Let's see if they come back with anything convincing.

 

[AndiL]

thanks for this update- I would guess it's coming from the car - if it provides this then we are good to go - thank you for following up!

No, the estimated arrival SoC is NOT coming from the car, as the cars navigation is not used. Apple Maps has its own model for estimating the energy usage of the Taycan.

Details can be found here: https://www.porsche.com/usa/apple-maps-ev-routing/

Apple Maps uses energy consumption models that are specific to your Taycan, allowing for an accurate battery usage prediction which updates during your trip. Apple Maps will then route you past compatible charging stations on the way to your destination.

 

[tigerbalm]

 

[whitex]

Question is, what battery information? It could be as dumbed down as current SoC and predicted range, which Apple can turn into destination SoC with very simple math, for example Taycan shows 200 mile range @85%. You select destination 100 miles away, they estimate destination SoC to be 42.5% (half of 85%). Or it could be much more complex than this.

 

[AndiL]

@whitex Please check my answer and the corresponding link before that one: #51

 

[tigerbalm]

Question is, what battery information? It could be as dumbed down as current SoC and predicted range, which Apple can turn into destination SoC with very simple math, for example Taycan shows 200 mile range @85%. You select destination 100 miles away, they estimate destination SoC to be 42.5% (half of 85%). Or it could be much more complex than this.

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iphc5e3a4b4b/ios

This support doc from apple suggests its more sophisticated than just using SoC %:

When you get driving directions, Maps can track your vehicle’s charge. By analyzing elevation changes along the route and other factors, Maps identifies appropriate charging stations along the way. If you drive until your charge gets too low, you’re offered a route to the nearest compatible charging station.

 

[whitex]

@whitex Please check my answer and the corresponding link before that one: #51

There are not details there as to the "model" used to calculate the destination SoC. It could be as simple as as I described (based on estimated range), or a much more complex model, perhaps even accounting to current weather and elevation changes throughout the planned route.

 

[Scandinavian]

FWIW, I've asked them the question about battery pre-conditioning when using Apple Maps EV routing vs native navigation.

Let's see if they come back with anything convincing.

Did you also ask them when it will arrive in Europe (if)?

 

[tigerbalm]

Did you also ask them when it will arrive in Europe (if)?

I didn't! Duh!

 

[Scandinavian]

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iphc5e3a4b4b/ios

This support doc from apple suggests its more sophisticated than just using SoC %:

This seems similar to how ABRP calculates with its own model, a route plan. And once consumption gor the Taycan is calibrated it can use weather, elevation data etc and give quite accurate results.

You can also get some information about battery status in the Taycan to ABRP via Tronity services or with certain Bluetooth OBD readers. Then the consumption is automatically updated, but with extra costs.

 

[W1NGE]

I have tried Waze here in the UK after being recommended by a friend in Manaus, Brazil.
It produces poor routes, taking me 28 miles longer to gain 1 potential minute which could be lost at one traffic light in one case and on a route so narrow the undergrowth scratched the paint on both sides of the car the next route I let it do.
So a route planner which chooses bad routes isn't much use to me, even if it modifies them on the fly following traffic conditions, which the PCM does anyway. I liked the various warnings it gave but overall having useful warnings on a crap route was unconvincing.

I shall try apple maps and car play to see if it is worth me doing.
I do have the potential for car play now but it only seems to work wired and disconnects my phone from the hands free system. I'm sure this can be fixed but first I needs to decide if I can be bothered with anything carplay offers - so far not.

I can't be bothered with the cables either - wireless charging is slow, hot and poor in the Taycan - which is a must when using power draining apps such as Maps.

Apple CarPlay will drop by design:

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