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I doubt they can afford it. LG chem's batteries are in many EVs. The costs associated with recalling and replacing all the batteries may bankrupt them.
 

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What are the factual parallels (incidents, their frequency, etc) that you are suggesting LG is having similar issues as Samsung?
No comprehensive statistics. However, personally I feel I see more LG battery issues than Samsung:
- Chevrolet bolt's fire risks
- Jaguar I-Pace EV
- LG ESS home batteries
https://www.accc.gov.au/media-relea...ally-dangerous-lg-solar-batteries-immediately
https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2021/L...Energy-Storage-Batteries-Due-to-Fire-Hazard-0

Personally I also experienced red circle of death and replaced my battery pack. Technician said it's battery related issue. Yet, there came another recall.

So it's just personal frustration hoping a buy-back instead of seemingly endless repairs and recalls.
 

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No comprehensive statistics. However, personally I feel I see more LG battery issues than Samsung:
- Chevrolet bolt's fire risks
- Jaguar I-Pace EV
- LG ESS home batteries
https://www.accc.gov.au/media-relea...ally-dangerous-lg-solar-batteries-immediately
https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2021/L...Energy-Storage-Batteries-Due-to-Fire-Hazard-0

Personally I also experienced red circle of death and replaced my battery pack. Technician said it's battery related issue. Yet, there came another recall.

So it's just personal frustration hoping a buy-back instead of seemingly endless repairs and recalls.
Bolts have in fact been recalled long ago already. Your circle of death may (or may not) be a battery failure, but even if, not necessarily a safety issue (did it fail on you at high speed, locking wheels and causing a dangerous situation, or simply did not start). Recalls are more likely going to happen for safety related issues. Not starting in the morning is more of a warranty issue than a recall. Every consumer product out there will have failures in the field. Even Apple products sometimes turn out DOA, or fail shortly thereafter, even though Apple is considered a high quality product. I personally know one person who had their iPhone camera fail within a month of usage (it might have been DOA, it's just that the owner never used the front facing camera for a month after getting the iPhone). I've read about people who had their iPhones and iPads come dead out of the box too - not even powering on. The devil is always in the details - what percentage of products are failing, and how dangerous the failures are. That determines whether or not a wide recall is warranted.
 
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Risk does not mean it's actually going to happen, even at high risk.
If I look at the stats, hybrid vehicles and ice cars are way more prone to catch fire.
Even if the risk is zero, it still can catch fire cuz that'll be the exception to the rule.
Voilá.
 

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Bolts have in fact been recalled long ago already. Your circle of death may (or may not) be a battery failure, but even if, not necessarily a safety issue (did it fail on you at high speed, locking wheels and causing a dangerous situation, or simply did not start). Recalls are more likely going to happen for safety related issues. Not starting in the morning is more of a warranty issue than a recall. Every consumer product out there will have failures in the field. Even Apple products sometimes turn out DOA, or fail shortly thereafter, even though Apple is considered a high quality product. I personally know one person who had their iPhone camera fail within a month of usage (it might have been DOA, it's just that the owner never used the front facing camera for a month after getting the iPhone). I've read about people who had their iPhones and iPads come dead out of the box too - not even powering on. The devil is always in the details - what percentage of products are failing, and how dangerous the failures are. That determines whether or not a wide recall is warranted.
Totally agree.

I've noticed a trend on this forum to grab at single events (e.g., a brake failure while driving, or recall notices involving the HV battery) and translate that into unmitigated risk of fire, home destruction, and death.

Time to sit back and take a deep breath. Folks need to realize that there is no risk free way to travel from point A to point B. From what I've read (and posted with as much 3rd party corroboration as I can find) the likelihood of a fire in an ICE or PHV vehicle is so much higher than an EV, regardless of age/miles driven, that I feel much safer in an EV - even one with a battery subject to recall & inspection. When the Taycans in my neck of the woods (PNW) start bursting into flames, then of course I'll reconsider that position ?

But if you see it differently, then own it and stop panicking about any single negative event. If you have lost confidence in your Taycan, or EVs in general, then you should sell your EV, and go back to filling the tank with highly flammable gasoline, rather than feeding electrons into your HV battery.

But good luck getting to ZERO risk or ZERO product failures - it isn't possible.
 

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Totally agree.

I've noticed a trend on this forum to grab at single events (e.g., a brake failure while driving, or recall notices involving the HV battery) and translate that into unmitigated risk of fire, home destruction, and death.

Time to sit back and take a deep breath. Folks need to realize that there is no risk free way to travel from point A to point B. From what I've read (and posted with as much 3rd party corroboration as I can find) the likelihood of a fire in an ICE or PHV vehicle is so much higher than an EV, regardless of age/miles driven, that I feel much safer in an EV - even one with a battery subject to recall & inspection. When the Taycans in my neck of the woods (PNW) start bursting into flames, then of course I'll reconsider that position ?

But if you see it differently, then own it and stop panicking about any single negative event. If you have lost confidence in your Taycan, or EVs in general, then you should sell your EV, and go back to filling the tank with highly flammable gasoline, rather than feeding electrons into your HV battery.

But good luck getting to ZERO risk or ZERO product failures - it isn't possible.
My theory is this is a result of internet combined with human nature. Internet shrunk the world into a giant global village. Our brains instinctively infer risks and probabilities based on what we see - an evolutionary shortcut for our brains. This used to work when humans were living in small groups, but fails miserably when humans are exposed to billions of people, and most of that exposure is designed to maximize engagement, which means most of what we see in the news and on the internet is going to be negative stories, or stories manipulated to be negative when interpreted through the lens of our worldview. Internet is the light speed evolutionary incubator of such stories (think "viral" content). This leads the human brain to significantly overestimate risks and probabilities of bad things happening. If the internet was feeding us all positive stories, our brains would also overestimate the probabilities of positive things, but those are rare (positive stories have much lower engagement). One example of positive stories I can think of is interviews with lottery winners. Humans see the winners on the news often, which leads them to believe they have a chance of winning which is many orders of magnitude greater than reality. For the human brain to make an accurate assessment of the probability of winning the lottery, that human would have to be forced to see not just interview with the winners on the news, but sit through and watch every single person who played and their result (which for some lotteries would take longer than a human lifespan just for a single drawing). Only then the human brain would accurately infer that playing a lottery is a completely losing proposition. Of course we have a brain capable to learning statistics and critical thinking, but unfortunately most people in the world do not acquire these skills, they go on instinct instead.

PS> What do the mathematicians call "winning the lottery"? "A bad decision with a good outcome". ;)
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