Charging Etiquette

[Scandinavian]

It’s because the chargers 150 and 350 have 800-920 DC Volt. That means a car ID4 and rest only have a 400V battery, so they charge at a 150 kw charger at 75 kw and on a 350 kw at 150 kw max for ID 3 it’s at 125 kw,

Taycan has an 800V battery and can charge at full capacity on a 150 or 350 kw , with a max of 270 kw,
that’s why normal EV cars, with a 400V battery charge at 300+ chargers.
they think that it will go faster, but the limit of,the car is the limit you can get. I’ll try to explain that too sometimes, but they don’t botter.
Patience ?

Where did you get that information from?

I think that is wrong. If an EA charger can deliver 150 kW. I think it will do so at 400 volt as well. The OP is based in the US?

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[W1NGE]

It’s because the chargers 150 and 350 have 800-920 DC Volt. That means a car ID4 and rest only have a 400V battery, so they charge at a 150 kw charger at 75 kw and on a 350 kw at 150 kw max for ID 3 it’s at 125 kw,

Taycan has an 800V battery and can charge at full capacity on a 150 or 350 kw , with a max of 270 kw,
that’s why normal EV cars, with a 400V battery charge at 300+ chargers.
they think that it will go faster, but the limit of,the car is the limit you can get. I’ll try to explain that too sometimes, but they don’t botter.
Patience ?

Ah, didn't realise the ID4 is 400v architecture.

So my basic stance still holds - the driver is entitled to charge to the max possible. And so up to 150kW is just fine.. people just have to get in line.

 

[Scandinavian]

I have given up expecting anything more than 130kW. In a strange way it simplifies life. The next time I am in the market for a new EV, 800 volt architecture will not be a must for me. There will be more EV choices available. Frankly, the whole charging infrastructure has been a big disappointment.

The whole charging technology has moved forward quite a lot over the years, with improved battery technology as well as chargers.

A Tesla Model 3 on a V3 charger can achieve up to 250 kW. And they are 400 volt architecture. At least here in Europe with CCS2 connectors. Unfortunately the Taycan can only achieve up to 150 kW with the extra 150 kW onboard charger option.

 

[tchavei]

Here is a screen shot of the charge rates here in Europe with Porsche Charging Service. And if you are not a member of that the prices are even higher.

Can you provide source link? Would like to check other countries.

Here in Portugal its a mess. The price is composed of 3 components plus taxes. You need to use an app to even have an idea of the cost.

Thx

 

[Scandinavian]

Yeah but the complaint was they the ID4 shouldn't have been and was hogging the 350kW unless I read it wrong.

Why would he have to use a 350 kW charger when a 150 charger would have given him the same charging rate. The ID4 seems to limit charging rate to 125 kW or so. I do not think he would charge any faster at 350 kW, but I have never tried an ID4 either.

 

[Scandinavian]

Can you provide source link? Would like to check other countries.

Here in Portugal its a mess. The price is composed of 3 components plus taxes. You need to use an app to even have an idea of the cost.

Thx

Yes of course.

Here is where I found the Porsche charging service pricing.

https://connect-store2.porsche.com/...jViMjRhYmY3ZjgyYTcwMjdjYzhlNWE2NDgwMGZiM2Q2Nw

 

[W1NGE]

The whole charging technology has moved forward quite a lot over the years, with improved battery technology as well as chargers.

A Tesla Model 3 on a V3 charger can achieve up to 250 kW. And they are 400 volt architecture. At least here in Europe with CCS2 connectors. Unfortunately the Taycan can only achieve up to 150 kW with the extra 150 kW onboard charger option.

Some confusion here.

I can think of no 400v EVSE in UK (for example) that delivers more.than 175kW and is available to all brands of vehicle.

The 150kW option is not a charger either it is simply a 400V to 800V voltage booster specifically for 150kW / 175kW EVSEs which are 400V. Without the option you would be limited to 50kW on the Taycan.

 

[W1NGE]

Why would he have to use a 350 kW charger when a 150 charger would have given him the same charging rate. The ID4 seems to limit charging rate to 125 kW or so. I do not think he would charge any faster at 350 kW, but I have never tried an ID4 either.

This is all getting muddled...

The point is that the ID4 owner chose to use the 350kW EVSE over anything else which might have been available. The max power which could be drawn would have been 125kW in any event.

Unfortunately the owner did not have a working crystal ball to predict that a Taycan would rock up wanting to use the best available.

 

[Alex74]

Where did you get that information from?

I think that is wrong. If an EA charger can deliver 150 kW. I think it will do so at 400 volt as well. The OP is based in the US?

In EU, and even the same charger in US or UK, is based on 800-920DC volt for over 225kw . Like Alpitronic 225,300kw, Efacec 160,180 320,350 kw, Kempower 400,600kw are based on this. The 50,60 and 100kw are on 400-520DC Volt,
how i know? I Import , install, distribute DC chargers and consult my expertise on EV.
if you have an 150 kw chargerEA, you have 2 possibilities. Or it’s an 400 or it’s an 800 VdC.

what i mean is , an ID4 driver tries to charge on a 150 kw 400 V , ok
same on 800v charger it’s 80kw. Also , on a basic 150 kw charger, mostly it’s a 200 orb250 A cable.
with a 300 kw charger, mostly you have 400A or 500A liquid cooled cables.
so simlpy math.

 

[Alex74]

This is all getting muddled...

The point is that the ID4 owner chose to use the 350kW EVSE over anything else which might have been available. The max power which could be drawn would have been 125kW in any event.

Unfortunately the owner did not have a working crystal ball to predict that a Taycan would rock up wanting to use the best available.

I know, they need to stay at a 150 kw and let the 300+ chargers for us. ?

 

[Alex74]

The whole charging technology has moved forward quite a lot over the years, with improved battery technology as well as chargers.

A Tesla Model 3 on a V3 charger can achieve up to 250 kW. And they are 400 volt architecture. At least here in Europe with CCS2 connectors. Unfortunately the Taycan can only achieve up to 150 kW with the extra 150 kW onboard charger option.

I charge with my taycan at 267 kW

 

[W1NGE]

I know, they need to stay at a 150 kw and let the 300+ chargers for us. ?

We have to play fair!

 

[Alex74]

We have to play fair!

I know, sometimes you’re glas with every charger that works or is available

 

[Klepper]

This is all getting muddled...

The point is that the ID4 owner chose to use the 350kW EVSE over anything else which might have been available. The max power which could be drawn would have been 125kW in any event.

Unfortunately the owner did not have a working crystal ball to predict that a Taycan would rock up wanting to use the best available.

I agree! Also (and you may have said it earlier) who knows what station was available when the guy in the ID4 arrived? Maybe the 150W stations were all occupied, and the 350W was the only one available?

I just give people the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Scandinavian]

In EU, and even the same charger in US or UK, is based on 800-920DC volt for over 225kw . Like Alpitronic 225,300kw, Efacec 160,180 320,350 kw, Kempower 400,600kw are based on this. The 50,60 and 100kw are on 400-520DC Volt,
how i know? I Import , install, distribute DC chargers and consult my expertise on EV.
if you have an 150 kw chargerEA, you have 2 possibilities. Or it’s an 400 or it’s an 800 VdC.

what i mean is , an ID4 driver tries to charge on a 150 kw 400 V , ok
same on 800v charger it’s 80kw. Also , on a basic 150 kw charger, mostly it’s a 200 orb250 A cable.
with a 300 kw charger, mostly you have 400A or 500A liquid cooled cables.
so simlpy math.

I am getting more confused. I thought the EA chargers in the US all were 800 volt? If there are EA 150 kW chargers, then surely every Taycan in the US would need the option of the charging upgrade from 400 volt to 800 volt. Else the max a Taycan would get would be 50kW?? As I said I have never charged an ID4 nor have I charged at an EA station.

You seem to be involved in that business and should have the correct information. But I remember an article about ID4 charging from Out of Spec or similar charging an ID4 at EA. Will try to find it because they charged at full rate on an EA charger. Not sure if it was 150 or 350 kW though.

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