Do I need the onboard 150kW/400V adapter to charge at Tesla Supercharger (when it becomes available)

[Pvande10]

I am correct in understanding that I need the 150kW/400V onboard adapter to be able to use Tesla Superchargers with the upcoming opening up of Tesla Superchargers? I have noticed that a lot of new Taycans at dealers dont have this relatively cheap option installed. . The sales person informed me “At the guidance of Porsche we‘ve geen discouraging that option due to the bulk of public quick charging being 800v. The 400V system was more intended for CA/EU., not the American market.”

This Porsche guidance seems opposite of what I know. Am I wrong? Seems like there will be a lot of mad Taycan owners when they discover they cant use the vast Tesla Supercharger Network due to the lack of a $500 option on their Tayvan.

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[Deleted member 6348]

Only if you want to charge at 150kw. You will still be able to charge, but limited to 50kW if you didn’t check off that option.

There are a few 400V chargers in the US. I charged at one earlier this year. They are not common, but the number isn’t zero either.

With the supercharger network opening up, the 400V/150kw option should now be selected for every new Taycan build.

 

[Jayyvr890]

Taycan without this option can still charge at 400V stations, just at 50kw max. With this feature, it can theoretically go up to 150kw but realistically the car will not charge at the max rate depending on soc, battery temp etc...

I used a 150kw charger before and got about 75kw max.

 

[Scandinavian]

Taycan without this option can still charge at 400V stations, just at 50kw max. With this feature, it can theoretically go up to 150kw but realistically the car will not charge at the max rate depending on soc, battery temp etc...

I used a 150kw charger before and got about 75kw max.

In Europe you can easily charge at 130 kW+ at the Tesla superchargers. We also have the benefit of the CCS charger being the same as Tesla is using. So this is a no brainer in Europe. And works fast and relaible.

 

[Windpower]

Short answer, no. The Taycan, without any extras, can potentially charge at Tesla 400 volt super chargers.
Longer answer, see above. With the 400v/150kw option you can potentially charge faster. But (as the lawyers say), there can no assurances since Tesla has not stated the rules for non-Tesla cars to charge. They might throttle non-Tesla cars. Or not.

 

[Pvande10]

In Europe you can easily charge at 130 kW+ at the Tesla superchargers. We also have the benefit of the CCS charger being the same as Tesla is using. So this is a no brainer in Europe. And works fast and relaible.

Does that mean that you do have the 400V 150 kW adapter installed in your car or do you get that charge rate without the 150 kW adapter?

 

[Scandinavian]

Short answer, no. The Taycan, without any extras, can potentially charge at Tesla 400 volt super chargers.
Longer answer, see above. With the 400v/150kw option you can potentially charge faster. But (as the lawyers say), there can no assurances since Tesla has not stated the rules for non-Tesla cars to charge. They might throttle non-Tesla cars. Or not.

I do not understand your logic here. Has Tesla a time based charging cost in the US? Why would they throttle the charge rate? Surely if they have a kWh charge they want a car to charge as fast as possible so that the station is freed up?

If you buy a Taycan today it is the cheapest option to get the 150 kW charger and one that has the greatest benefit

 

[Scandinavian]

Does that mean that you do have the 400V 150 kW adapter installed in your car or do you get that charge rate without the 150 kW adapter?

I have the 150 kW option installed in the car. And it is a cheap option. I do not know how things will play out in US since they have the Tesla plug and an adapter will be needed unless Tesla install a US CCS connector????

 

[whitex]

They might throttle non-Tesla cars.

What possible reason would Tesla have to throttle any cars resulting in those cars taking up the charger for longer?

 

[whitex]

I have the 150 kW option installed in the car. And it is a cheap option. I do not know how things will play out in US since they have the Tesla plug and an adapter will be needed unless Tesla install a US CCS connector????

Tesla has installed some dual superchargers, CCS & Tesla connector. It remains to be seen if they build any meaningful number of them, so far it seems they did it where it got them government subsidies which required that the chargers cannot be locked to one brand.

 

[simcity]

Tesla has installed some dual superchargers, CCS & Tesla connector. It remains to be seen if they build any meaningful number of them, so far it seems they did it where it got them government subsidies which required that the chargers cannot be locked to one brand.

When the model 3 came out in Europe a few years ago, Tesla retrofitted all the existing V2 supercharger tombstones with CCS leads alongside the original Type 2 connectors.

When V3 superchargers were released here, they only had CCS leads - effectively neutering the existing estate of S and X cars with Type 2 only connectors. So lots of folks, myself included had to stump up for an upgrade on the car and a CCS to Type 2 adapter.

So when it came time to spec the Taycan I made sure to check every and all possible charging options/permutations as it’s cheaper and easier to do this at the start then down the track.

 

[Windpower]

What possible reason would Tesla have to throttle any cars resulting in those cars taking up the charger for longer?

Marketing 101: to encourage customers to buy faster charging Tesla cars?
Who knows what Tesla will do in North America.
It’s different in Europe: the EU sets the rules. Like USB phone chargers, where the EU set a rule that all mobile phones had to use the same charger which resulted in everyone (Apple included) to switch to a USB plug from proprietary chargers, the EU set a standard for electric car charge plugs that all EV manufacturers needed to comply with.

 

[whitex]

Marketing 101: to encourage customers to buy faster charging Tesla cars?
Who knows what Tesla will do in North America.
It’s different in Europe: the EU sets the rules. Like USB phone chargers, where the EU set a rule that all mobile phones had to use the same charger which resulted in everyone (Apple included) to switch to a USB plug from proprietary chargers, the EU set a standard for electric car charge plugs that all EV manufacturers needed to comply with.

Don't you think Marketing 101 should say "don't piss off your own brand customers by keeping the chargers occupied by other cars longer than technically required"?

But ok, following your reasoning, is Tesla slowing down charging of non-Tesla cars at superchargers in EU then, to encourage customers to buy Teslas? Or did Elon fail your Marketing 101 course?

 

[TXAG]

I'm guessing Elon will be fine with permitting non-Tesla owners to charge at Tesla's primo charging kW while charging us primo (insert your currency here).

 

[whitex]

I'm guessing Elon will be fine with permitting non-Tesla owners to charge at Tesla's primo charging kW while charging us primo (insert your currency here).

It could be a good source of revenue for Tesla. $0.99 per month per non-Tesla EV account being open, then regular prices per KWh. Tesla does not sell electricity at cost even to Tesla cars, there is profit there too. Most non-Tesla EVs will rarely or never go, but will probably keep paying $0.99 per month to have the account ready to use.

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