New OTA Pilot Testers :) Finally??

[jeffb]

I'm not sure if it's just for the MY25, but my Porsche App includes OTA updates:

I have a MY25 Taycan 4S. My "MyPorsche" app showed the OTA updates shown above when I first downloaded it, but no longer does.

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[trycan]

I have a MY25 Taycan 4S. My "MyPorsche" app showed the OTA updates shown above when I first downloaded it, but no longer does.

Same.
2025 4S
My app no longer shows the OTA updates section.

 

[Scandinavian]

Yes, so does ours from 2019-2024.

Doesn’t mean Porsche actually uses it, because most ECU modules don’t have a proper install/rollback solution, so OTA is too risky to use for most things. That is still the case in 2025.

For OTA to work in any useful manner, it would involve development of the software running each ECU from all the providers that Porsche uses. Unlikely to happen.

Until then OTA does only map updates and the occasional small update to the few ECU that do have an “update” functionality, like the communication module.

Interesting if you have that in your J1.1. I have not got that information in my app or car MY20 Tyrbo . And of course no OTA updates apart from the ones you mention. Map updates as well as some entertainment updates. Only OTAupdate ever was some update a few years ago to enable OTA updates they said. But nada since

 

[Techwizard100]

• The Taycan Porsche communication module(s) was designed from the start to do OTA updates.
• The 2025 J1.2 is the exact same com hardware as the 20-24's
• OTA is possible without new hardware in the car. Data could be downloaded over time and checked (checksum) for quality before invoked to update the car. VW is rolling this out in their ID series.
• Software could be released in smaller bites to make sure that you dont do one big update that crashes or bricks the car.
• All this can be done with a quality IT team that does appropriate code management and testing before release.

IMHOP. Don't shoot the author. You dont have to reply that you dont agree with above.

 

[gtm]

Porsche is so screwed up. Today I receive an email detailing the need to enable OTA updates. You have to have the app and activate "Remote Battery Monitoring" in the app. You also have to deactivate privacy mode in the car. Fine. But that option has disappeared from the app. The email has a caption for instructions for the phone and the car but the instructions were left out. I have always enabled all the remote data sharing options and never have the car in privacy mode yet Porsche is unable to monitor my car and assigned me to ARB6.

So if I am understanding things, Porsche would like us to enable remote battery monitoring. At the time they send out an email to enable that function they remove the tile from the app (never mind that the email was missing the instructions). Apparently they have been unable to monitor my car at all despite all options being set to allow it.

Just yesterday took my car to have the windshield replaced. I have WRS1 showing as open. So I asked if that workshop campaign could be done at the same time. Leaving the car an extra day was not a problem. "Oh no. We can only do a certain number of those each week and are booked until late May". I had this done by another dealer in December and was told it involves letting the car sit where Porsche can reach it by satellite and takes all of a half hour. Apparently under ARB6 it should be done periodically as WRS1 was definitely an open item for my car. The battery could crap out at any time and leave me stranded or fully short out and burn, but my dealer is limited, for unspecified reasons, to the number of WRS1 procedures they can do. Thanks for looking out for my safety. Can't run a remote check and generate a VAL while sitting at the dealership.

Oh yeah, Porsche has a handle on it's software.

 

[chun]

Porsche is so screwed up. Today I receive an email detailing the need to enable OTA updates. You have to have the app and activate "Remote Battery Monitoring" in the app. You also have to deactivate privacy mode in the car. Fine. But that option has disappeared from the app

I don't think this option was ever there.
Did you actually have this option before? I don't recall every seeing this.

There is a Online Software Update in the app, which some months is there, some months is not there, just like all porsche online services...

I've had that option there all through 2023 and 2024, then from december until march it was gone. Then I had it for most of april. And now I am looking in the app, and it is gone again.

 

[Techwizard100]

“Porsche has a handle on it software” Couldn't resist. ?​

I didn’t say they have a handle, I said they could get a handle with appropriate IT leaders.​

 

[chun]

• Data could be downloaded over time and checked (checksum) for quality before invoked to update the car.
• Software could be released in smaller bites to make sure that you dont do one big update that crashes or bricks the car.

So, as an owner of an older verion of PIWIS, and in close contact with a dealer here in Swiss, I can tell you these things as facts:
- there is no support for check sum. Software updates done at dealer via PIWIS are un-arhiving files and overwriting existing files. No "modern" installation as you know it. That's how the online files are also sent via the exising OTA capabilities.
- Most ECUs don't run porsche signed software. They need to request and receive an update from their maker for anything, so porsche can't do much there but wait to get the update and deploy it; so they can't do small changes one at a time really.
- Most ECUs in the taycan don't support modern checksum install as you think they do.
- Most ECUs in the taycan don't have enough memory to save locally an update or backup before installing. Not to mention that no backup/rollback procedure even exists to begin with.

This is straight from the dealer. Now he could be lying, but i don't see why he would.

And in my own experience with PIWIS, from my GT4, it does line up.

Could they improve this with a better software team? For sure. But not by much.

For future cars they would have to design their own ECUs and not take the route of traditional auto-makers of sourcing parts. When you own the hardware, the software part gets easier.

 

[gtm]

I don't think this option was ever there.
Did you actually have this option before? I don't recall every seeing this.

There is a Online Software Update in the app, which some months is there, some months is not there, just like all porsche online services...

I've had that option there all through 2023 and 2024, then from december until march it was gone. Then I had it for most of april. And now I am looking in the app, and it is gone again.

Now you are stressing my memory. I do not remember it specifically saying "Remote Battery Monitoring", but there was a tile for enabling some kind of OTA function. I haven't looked in ages but specifically remember enabling it. But either way there is no battery monitoring tile at the point in time that Porsche is sending out the emails. Smooth.

 

[Techwizard100]

So, as an owner of an older verion of PIWIS, and in close contact with a dealer here in Swiss, I can tell you these things as facts:
- there is no support for check sum. Software updates done at dealer via PIWIS are un-arhiving files and overwriting existing files. No "modern" installation as you know it. That's how the online files are also sent via the exising OTA capabilities.
- Most ECUs don't run porsche signed software. They need to request and receive an update from their maker for anything, so porsche can't do much there but wait to get the update and deploy it; so they can't do small changes one at a time really.
- Most ECUs in the taycan don't support modern checksum install as you think they do.
- Most ECUs in the taycan don't have enough memory to save locally an update or backup before installing. Not to mention that no backup/rollback procedure even exists to begin with.

This is straight from the dealer. Now he could be lying, but i don't see why he would.

And in my own experience with PIWIS, from my GT4, it does line up.

Could they improve this with a better software team? For sure. But not by much.

For future cars they would have to design their own ECUs and not take the route of traditional auto-makers of sourcing parts. When you own the hardware, the software part gets easier.

So you’re basically saying it’s just not possible in the current environment.
let’s put a pin in this. ?

 

[GTSS]

Porsche Digital OTA specialist. Check how much they are paid (bottom of the page).

https://www.porsche-digital.hr/jobs/ota-software-release-specialist?

 

[trycan]

Porsche Digital OTA specialist. Check how much they are paid (bottom of the page).

https://www.porsche-digital.hr/jobs/ota-software-release-specialist?

Surely that must be a weekly salary quoted in the job description?

 

[GTSS]

Surely that must be a weekly salary quoted in the job description?

In Croatia salaries are always monthly. If you check other positions, those are up to 4-5k EUR gross per month. This one is way less, could be indicative on how Porsche looks at OTA.

 

[Techwizard100]

In Croatia salaries are always monthly. If you check other positions, those are up to 4-5k EUR gross per month. This one is way less, could be indicative on how Porsche looks at OTA.

Shows progress...

 

[chun]

In Croatia salaries are always monthly. If you check other positions, those are up to 4-5k EUR gross per month. This one is way less, could be indicative on how Porsche looks at OTA.

No no, this is indicative of how Porsche looks at OTA:

How does it work? That's what we're figuring out.
Where does it start? That's what we're figuring out.
How can it be improved? That's what we're figuring out

So basically they don't know anything about OTA, not from where to start, not how to do it, not how to improve it.

But let's give them some more time; it's only been 5 years and 3 models of cars "with OTA". Maybe by 2030 they will figure out how to OTA update the spotify app so it works more than 50% of the time; and not just map data.

God, not only their OTA system is horrible, theire job ads and salaries also are. No wonder they can't get a competent team to develop any software for them.

But yea, salary is a bad joke for someone with minimum 3 years of experience like they request, while they pay 1/3 of the market salaries...

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