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I had 3 Tesla, of course navigating to charging is easier since all SC are Tesla and there are plenty of them..... Charging though was faster with the Taycan.
Through dumb luck we took nearly the same road trip a couple of weeks apart... first in Taycan then in MX. It was eye opening. On paper the charging speed differences doesn't look like much but when you're on a trip it adds up fast. But my favorite was the fact that the mileage on the car was 'real' where the mileage on the Tesla was laughable. The onboard charging nav software didn't fail us at all but you're looking at the range thinking "no way, I've got a lot more than 10% when I roll in" but sure enough the miles start to tick down really fast in the Tesla. Taycan always showed pretty damn true to reality on my trip. It was crazy.
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Sadly I threw my 4 week old Turbo back to the dealer at the weekend not entirely because of the satnav although as has been pointed out it is absolute rubbish. Tesla is streaks ahead in my view although if you are going on a long trip you need to do some pre planning whatever EV you are in and have a vague idea of where to stop and charge. I have used ABRP on many an occasion and it is probably one of the best tools out there. I rejected the car because of all the connect issues which Porsche seem unable to solve.
You are lucky. If I could I would give mine back in the USA. It drives like a Porsche but everything else technology wise sucks. In the USA returning a car, unless they cannot fix a life threatening issue after trying 3 times, is almost impossible. At least in WA state with its lemon law.
 

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You are lucky. If I could I would give mine back in the USA. It drives like a Porsche but everything else technology wise sucks. In the USA returning a car, unless they cannot fix a life threatening issue after trying 3 times, is almost impossible. At least in WA state with its lemon law.
Did you not test drive it? Maybe I'm the odd one that didn't buy the Taycan wanting futuristic tech. It has a couple of nits I wish were different but overall I'm very happy with the car. It does exactly what it's supposed to do and does it from well to great depending on what it is we're talking about. I have, arguably, the most tech forward car with a Tesla and I can't wait to dump it - it's garbage and the tech was fun for the first few months and then you get annoyed with bugs and just wish the basics worked right.
 

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Through dumb luck we took nearly the same road trip a couple of weeks apart... first in Taycan then in MX. It was eye opening. On paper the charging speed differences doesn't look like much but when you're on a trip it adds up fast. But my favorite was the fact that the mileage on the car was 'real' where the mileage on the Tesla was laughable. The onboard charging nav software didn't fail us at all but you're looking at the range thinking "no way, I've got a lot more than 10% when I roll in" but sure enough the miles start to tick down really fast in the Tesla. Taycan always showed pretty damn true to reality on my trip. It was crazy.
Could not agree more re: realistic range displayed on Taycan vs. quite theoretical rated range in Tesla. The good thing about the Tesla is that after few miles the software estimation is spot on (i.e., arrival within 1-2% point on estimated battery). I suspect it is the same with the Taycan, but not having a dedicated tracking tool (like the trip display in Tesla ) makes this harder to establish. On my recent road trip I saw a tiny increase in estimated battery at arrival as I kept driving.
 

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Did you not test drive it? Maybe I'm the odd one that didn't buy the Taycan wanting futuristic tech. It has a couple of nits I wish were different but overall I'm very happy with the car. It does exactly what it's supposed to do and does it from well to great depending on what it is we're talking about. I have, arguably, the most tech forward car with a Tesla and I can't wait to dump it - it's garbage and the tech was fun for the first few months and then you get annoyed with bugs and just wish the basics worked right.
I expected more from the tech in the car. I am tainted by what is now 6 terrible rattles in the car. They had to replace cracked speakers, broken seatbelt retraction mechanisms and side panels. Its been pretty frustrating.

It drives really well. In fact I love how it drives but if thats all i wanted i would rather drive the 911 Turbo S which is all about driving and only slightly more in $$.

I did buy it expecting more from the tech.

Its going back to Porsche at the end of the month. Will see what it is like when I get it back. If it is still rattling I am switching back to a 911 Trubo S for now.

Anyway, I am not anti-Taycan, just fatigued with all the issues I have had.
 


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Could not agree more re: realistic range displayed on Taycan vs. quite theoretical rated range in Tesla. The good thing about the Tesla is that after few miles the software estimation is spot on (i.e., arrival within 1-2% point on estimated battery). I suspect it is the same with the Taycan, but not having a dedicated tracking tool (like the trip display in Tesla ) makes this harder to establish. On my recent road trip I saw a tiny increase in estimated battery at arrival as I kept driving.
I have never had less range than what the Taycan initially indicated. On the contrary, with longer trips I have always exceeded its initial estimates by at least 20 miles. I prefer that side of the equation.
 

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I expected more from the tech in the car. I am tainted by what is now 6 terrible rattles in the car. They had to replace cracked speakers, broken seatbelt retraction mechanisms and side panels. Its been pretty frustrating.

It drives really well. In fact I love how it drives but if thats all i wanted i would rather drive the 911 Turbo S which is all about driving and only slightly more in $$.

I did buy it expecting more from the tech.

Its going back to Porsche at the end of the month. Will see what it is like when I get it back. If it is still rattling I am switching back to a 911 Trubo S for now.

Anyway, I am not anti-Taycan, just fatigued with all the issues I have had.
I had no surprised with the tech as I spent enough time in the loaner to get a feel from it. Yes, I'd like it to be better but I wasn't at all surprised given the nature of automakers. But I'm also more tolerant probably b/c I have the other extreme and it's annoying as hell to have a buggy car.

All that aside - I'd be mad as hell with rattles and issues! I don't blame you at all there. I hope that have that all taken care of for you.
 

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Porsche have ruined what is a great driving experience by not investing in charging facilities. I am parked next to a shell recharge and it does show on the sat nav. The ones that do show don't tell you the speed and mostly are owned by restaurants for customers only. Having to drive 20 or so miles to find a working charger who then charge for each failed attempt, then getting my card blocked by the fraud team !
Mine when the 1 time its been charged fully has a range of 176 miles and takes 2 days to charge on a 32A separate feed.
It's been a pretty miserable experience so far to the point I have today considered driving back to the dealer and dumping the car there and buying a Tesla.




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Is there any car that has a decent navigation system? I'm serious. Use a 3rd party EV app. Use Google maps or Waze. Problem solved in 30 seconds.

It's not like you should suddenly be going "oh no, I need to charge!" and then try to get the Nav to help you while driving. You should always be planning your stop before leaving, which, again, takes less than a minute even for longer road trips.

The reality is car manufacturers don't put resources into stuff like Nav because most people use Waze or Google anyway. You're expecting Porsche to invest in something that few people will use and will STILL be outclassed by two free apps. It would be nice but it's not actually logical from a business point of view.

Anyone on here that works on software can give you an idea of how much work & money it would cost to make an in car nav that was competitive with Waze & Google. It probably isn't even possible if they tried.
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There is some navigation systems that are built in that are quite good, but not as good as Google Maps or Waze. I agree with that.

Porsche are not developing the nav system on its own since they are using HERE material. If you look at HERE website they are in the market for this type of things. Connected vehicles, speed database, connected bicycle rent etc etc.
https://www.here.com/platform/automotive-services.

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The refund is on its way, they didn’t argue at all. I spent 4 weeks going back and forth with Porsche GB who merely said it had been referred to Germany. It’s very unfortunate as the car itself was great to drive but ridiculously backward on the technology front.
I am an the verge of the doing the same after a week. The car is brilliant. But charging is a nightmare. 37 Hours on 32A at home and work. Many wasted hours driving to chargers that don't work.
 


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I am an the verge of the doing the same after a week. The car is brilliant. But charging is a nightmare. 37 Hours on 32A at home and work. Many wasted hours driving to chargers that don't work.
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37 hours on 32A doesn't sound right, you must be on normal 13A mains?
 

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Porsche have ruined what is a great driving experience by not investing in charging facilities. I am parked next to a shell recharge and it does show on the sat nav.
Did you try to search with the search function in the navigation app? If you only asked the car through the Porsche Charging Planner you would probably not see that charger at Shell. I think the Porsche system only shows the chargers where Porsche have an agreement and are included in the subscription. You still have to pay for the actual kWh in Europe but access should be granted.

As others have said several times use a third party app to find charging stations and try to plan ahead. The Taycan may not even recognise Ionity chargers when parked beside one! And Ionity is owned by VAG!
 
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Did you try to search with the search function in the navigation app? If you only asked the car through the Porsche Charging Planner you would probably not see that charger at Shell. I think the Porsche system only shows the chargers where Porsche have an agreement and are included in the subscription. You still have to pay for the actual kWh in Europe but access should be granted.

As others have said several times use a third party app to find charging stations and try to plan ahead. The Taycan may not even recognise Ionity chargers when parked beside one! And Ionity is owned by VAG!
I'm sorry but the Porsche Crap Nav is woefully inadequate.
As I stated originally, my old Gen 1 Nissan Leaf Sat Nav (Not Google or ZapMap) was far, far superior and I sold that several years ago.
I agree that an App will always be better, however, Porsche should at least update their database of chargers. Also, ZapMap isn't recoginised through CarPlay as a navigation system and if you get caught so much as touching your phone whilst driving in the UK you are half way to being banned from driving
 

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I agree that an App will always be better, however, Porsche should at least update their database of chargers.
I totally agree with all you say. The fact that their database is so out of date does not fill me with confidence that they will be able to improve and update their Nav system any time soon. I have completely given up with the navigator since it has sent me down closed roads, dirt roads and suggested forbidden turns in a lot of places. Even if I put in a restaurants name, it will describe the correct street address but plan a trip into a housing estate instead.

I only use CarPlay with Google maps or Waze now.
 

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The reality is car manufacturers don't put resources into stuff like Nav because most people use Waze or Google anyway. You're expecting Porsche to invest in something that few people will use and will STILL be outclassed by two free apps. It would be nice but it's not actually logical from a business point of view.

Anyone on here that works on software can give you an idea of how much work & money it would cost to make an in car nav that was competitive with Waze & Google. It probably isn't even possible if they tried.
I mostly agree, but on the other hand, Porsche is part of VW and a company of that size, could dish out a proper EV navi for ALL its brands. They just need to talk to eachother...
 

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I mostly agree, but on the other hand, Porsche is part of VW and a company of that size, could dish out a proper EV navi for ALL its brands. They just need to talk to eachother...
Please also remember that Porsche as well as Audi, VW, BMW, Mercedes and a few more manufacturers, are the owners and use the map material from HERE. HERE is the old NavTec that is specialising on navigation software etc. And when looking at their website they have very ambitious plans for future self driving cars etc. So Porsche do note have to write the SW for this on their own.

https://www.here.com/

So there should not be any excuse whatsoever for Porsche to have such a bad and useless navigation system.

Unless of course Porsche choose the absolutely cheapest version from HERE
 

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Did you not test drive it? Maybe I'm the odd one that didn't buy the Taycan wanting futuristic tech. It has a couple of nits I wish were different but overall I'm very happy with the car. It does exactly what it's supposed to do and does it from well to great depending on what it is we're talking about. I have, arguably, the most tech forward car with a Tesla and I can't wait to dump it - it's garbage and the tech was fun for the first few months and then you get annoyed with bugs and just wish the basics worked right.
Thank you, finally somebody speaks the truth. After one month with my Taycan, I took my MS90D for spin. After the first corner, I lost all feeling in my arms from the elbow down, as if they were cut off. Freakish...
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