Think about buying a Porsche taycan for a daily driver

[69Mach390]

I wonder whether used EV prices have bottomed out. The stats (UK) certainly suggest so.....
https://www.smmt.co.uk/used-ev-market-enjoys-record-uptake-as-one-in-25-buyers-switch-over-summer/

In my view, all we need is a spike in the price of oil and I can see people regretting not buying one in 2025 when prices hit rock bottom.

The whole EV depreciation doesn't really make much sense if you think about it. Great cars, cheap to run.....but people have been scared off by the pro oil propaganda.

Those who have them tend to like them and stick with them.

I personally think the tide is turning, so the OP may just be thinking of buying at a good time?

EV depreciation absolutely makes sense from a simple price and supply/demand perspective.

EV prices were very high, especially during the early COVID years and supplies were very low.

Then when manufacturing all came back online, manufacturers over built AND raised prices. This lead to many months (8-10 months) of supply in inventory sitting on dealer lots.

They in turn lowered prices and offered significant discounts on new inventory which completely collapsed the used EV market. Starting with Tesla dropping prices $15-50k per model (Model S plaid for example went from $140k to 90k new).

Now things are somewhat stabilizing, but anyone who bought an EV new in the last few years got CRUSHED on resale and are a bit more hesitant to buy new again.

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[jk981]

Huh I didn’t know about the Mercedes C590 coming next year. Doesn’t look like a jellybean either.

 

[Gkwan]

EV depreciation absolutely makes sense from a simple price and supply/demand perspective.

EV prices were very high, especially during the early COVID years and supplies were very low.

Then when manufacturing all came back online, manufacturers over built AND raised prices. This lead to many months (8-10 months) of supply in inventory sitting on dealer lots.

They in turn lowered prices and offered significant discounts on new inventory which completely collapsed the used EV market. Starting with Tesla dropping prices $15-50k per model (Model S plaid for example went from $140k to 90k new).

Now things are somewhat stabilizing, but anyone who bought an EV new in the last few years got CRUSHED on resale and are a bit more hesitant to buy new again.

right, Porsche dealer showed me they bought back my Taycan Turbo 95K€ (from 180K€ new), did ~5K€ of minor repairs on it (it looks new), selling it for 74K€ incl. 3Y PA warranty.
ie lost 60% of its value already (or 65% if you count 3Y PA as a 5K€ cost)
So I know I'll still loose a bit when reselling it, but it should not be a huge amount.
Might sell it in ~1Y though, so the next buyer still has ~1,5Y of battery warranty + 2Y of PA

 

[Fish Fingers]

Depreciation on my Taycan was about normal from my car ownership experience.
I usually assume depreciation of about 50% over 3 years ownership.

Bought it new in Aug 2021 and p/x for a BMW in Nov 2024 for about 50%.

But that's UK and OP is in the US, so probably irrelevant.

 

[Vincent_Frederick]

It in fact does NOT cover the battery.
The terms and conditions on Porsche Approved in Europe EXPLICITLY state that aging defects are not covered for Battery and High Voltage Battery.
And when you scan a 2020-2024 battery pack with a bad module PIWIS says that the module has an "aging" fault.

So if a module fails when it's out of the 8 year window Porsche Approved will in fact NOT help you.

Yes, if there is water ingress or some other total failure it will cover it.
But the specific problem that is affecting every 2020-2024 Taycan right now where individual modules fail is defined by PIWIS as "Module Aging Detected". There is a specific clause which says that it does NOT cover "Aging Defects" for HVB, Batteries, Suspension components, Brakes and a few other things.

So yes, the <1% rare issues it might cover, but not the issue that constitutes 99% of the battery failures.

Also good luck with GPT in court.



No it does not come down to local legislation. The Porsche Approved is not a warranty, it is an insurance contract, I recommend reading the whole thing, it is very clever the way it is worded.
There is a reason they categorized the module faults as "aging faults". And since the official diagnostic tool says "Module Aging", then you're going to have to prove in court somehow that it is in fact not normal aging. Good luck with that.

We shall see how it is enforced in the future, it will be relevant in 2 years when the first Taycans come out of battery warranty. The 190 000km is irrelevant because you can't extend Porsche Approved at that mileage.

well if it is from the recall what you are referring to, then how can that be a aging defect when it is in fact a recall?

if they recall Taycan for the battery and it has low mileage and the battery is supposed to have a long life, how can they say it is aging module?, maybe PIWIS says that but I don’t think it is not covered under warranty.

but as I don’t really know what can happen or how can they act on such situation I can just say thank you for pointing this could happen.

 

[Vincent_Frederick]

As per Chat GPT response:

Here’s a clear overview of the issues you’re asking about — based on the Taycan recall situation, Porsche Approved / warranty terminology, and how recall obligations generally work (especially in the EU context). I haven’t quoted the forum directly (because your link required JavaScript), but the broader community points you mentioned align with known facts from the recall and Porsche programs:


1. There is a major Taycan battery recall — and it is related to manufacturing defects


Porsche has officially recalled many Taycans (2020–2024) because high-voltage battery modules may short-circuit due to a defect, which poses a fire risk. The recall stems from battery manufacturing issues (the battery supplier is LG Energy Solution) rather than normal aging.


As part of this recall:

• Porsche will update diagnostic software and monitor vehicles.
• If faulty modules are found, Porsche or an authorized dealer will replace battery modules or the whole battery free of charge as part of the recall remedy.

This is not treated as normal wear — the defect is considered a safety defect by regulators (NHTSA in the U.S. and other authorities elsewhere), which triggers an official recall.



So if the problem truly is a manufacturing defect that’s included in the recall, Porsche should not be able to refuse to fix it by calling it “wear.” A recall remedy is legally required to address the defect, regardless of how a dealer labels it internally.



2. Warranty vs. Porsche Approved / certified programs


Porsche Approved (Certified Pre-Owned / extended warranties) are not the same as factory warranty:

• Factory warranties (new vehicle and high-voltage battery warranty) are contractual coverage provided by Porsche — e.g., battery is usually covered for 8 years / ~100,000 miles for defects (which includes manufacturing defects), separate from the core vehicle warranty.
• Porsche Approved / extended warranties are additional coverage you can buy (or that comes with a CPO car). They extend coverage but have their own terms and do not mean Porsche Approved is just “insurance.” They are still warranty contracts covering defects.

In forums, users correctly state that Porsche Approved doesn’t guarantee to cover everything forever — it still follows definitions of what is considered defect vs. wear — but they sometimes do cover the high-voltage battery beyond the original factory period if qualifying conditions are met.


The key point here: Porsche Approved is a warranty product — it is not exactly the same as the manufacturer’s standard New Car Limited Warranty, but it is still coverage rather than pure “insurance.”


3. Can Porsche deny a battery issue by saying it’s “wear”?



Internally, diagnostic tools like PIWIS may categorise a failed module as “aging” or “wear” in software. However:

• In recall contexts, what matters is whether the defect is covered by the recall campaign — not how PIWIS labels it. If the battery failure is a known manufacturing defect covered by the official recall, Porsche is required to address it under recall rules.
• In many official recalls, Porsche and regulators have clearly tied the defect to manufacturing/production issues, not normal aging, so a recall remedy should be provided.

Dealers might still try to categorize failures as wear for warranty claim denials, but recall coverage should override that — because recalls stem from safety defect law rather than warranty terms.


4. What happens once the battery warranty ends?


From a general consumer protection perspective:

• In the U.S. or EU, an active recall obligation exists even if the contractual warranty period has expired. A recall is a regulatory requirement to fix a safety defect free of charge. So if your specific problem is covered by an official recall and results directly from the defect that triggered that recall, the manufacturer must fix it free of charge even if your battery warranty has expired.
  ➤ This is fundamentally different from standard warranty coverage — recall obligations are not limited by the vehicle’s warranty term.
• This is why many owners with older Taycans in the recall population are still getting battery work done free of charge even if age/mileage is beyond the standard battery warranty.

That said, the exact legal mechanics (e.g., timing, recall target population, local jurisdiction) can vary by country and recall code — but the principle stands: a recall fix must be provided for safety defects regardless of warranty status.


5. European consumer law and future repair rights
In the EU, conceptually separate from recalls:

• EU product safety and consumer laws are increasingly supporting the idea that a seller/manufacturer must repair or replace defective products even after warranty (statutory legal warranty) — although this applies under specific legal frameworks and may not yet be fully in force for vehicles.

The recall itself is separate from general warranty or right-to-repair laws — a recall is triggered by a safety defect and obliges the manufacturer directly, regardless of warranty.



Summary you can use (in English):



1. If the battery issue is part of the official Taycan recall for manufacturing defects (LG battery short-circuit risk), Porsche must fix it free of charge as a recall remedy — even if a dealer claims it’s “wear.” Recall obligations are regulated and stand apart from normal warranty terms.



2. “Porsche Approved” / extended warranties are separate warranty products, not simply insurance — but they follow specific terms, and dealers sometimes deny claims by labeling failures as wear. That doesn’t override recall requirements.



3. A recall fix must be offered regardless of the battery’s normal warranty period, because recall obligations relate to safety defects, not just contractual warranties. Regulators require this.



4. Internally, diagnostic labels like “aging” should not be used to deny an official recall remedy if the defect is already covered by the recall campaign.

 

[chun]

Pls stop quoting ChatGPT which is referencing speculations from Reddit or from here.

We don’t know for sure what porsche will do; but it is a fact that “aging defects” are not covered and it is also a fact that at least internally porsche wants to say these manufacturing defects are “aging defects”.

These were intentional changes they made, and very intentional language they used. I doubt they did it for no reason

Here’s where your chatGPT is wrong. The recall fix was offered. The fix was a software update that tells you that the battery is aged. This is how they “fixed” the manufacturing defects and closed the recall. The recall is closed So all further battery defects don’t fall under the recall anymore

 

[prj]

well if it is from the recall what you are referring to, then how can that be a aging defect when it is in fact a recall?

if they recall Taycan for the battery and it has low mileage and the battery is supposed to have a long life, how can they say it is aging module?, maybe PIWIS says that but I don’t think it is not covered under warranty.

but as I don’t really know what can happen or how can they act on such situation I can just say thank you for pointing this could happen.

I wish they would ban people that copy paste LLM slop. I am not going to even read that shit, because all of it is wrong.

It is not part of a recall. The recall was updated monitoring software, to catch the problems early, not the battery modules themselves. After the 8 years of battery warranty are over, then they don't have to cover these.

Porsche approved is not a warranty it is an insurance policy, which explicitly states that aging of the HVB is not covered.
PIWIS shows aging fault -> not covered.

After that you can go to court if you want. Good luck there with ChatGPT.

 

[Pete85]

We shall see how it is enforced in the future, it will be relevant in 2 years when the first Taycans come out of battery warranty. The 190 000km is irrelevant because you can't extend Porsche Approved at that mileage.

this isnt true at least not in all countries. I asked our Porsche dealer and atm you can extend warranty until 15 years. You can also extend warranty after 190 000 km but the car might have to be checked first by Porsche, if it hasn't been under extended warranty until that time.
I might see myself driving with my Taycan for 15 years and 300 000 km.

 

[69Mach390]

this isnt true at least not in all countries. I asked our Porsche dealer and atm you can extend warranty until 15 years. You can also extend warranty after 190 000 km but the car might have to be checked first by Porsche, if it hasn't been under extended warranty until that time.
I might see myself driving with my Taycan for 15 years and 300 000 km.

What you quoted was said by PRJ, not me.

 

[prj]

this isnt true at least not in all countries. I asked our Porsche dealer and atm you can extend warranty until 15 years. You can also extend warranty after 190 000 km but the car might have to be checked first by Porsche, if it hasn't been under extended warranty until that time.

From Porsche Finland:


Porsche Approved -jatkotakuuvakuutus takaa:

• Maailmanlaajuisen kattavuuden
• Takuuasiat hoituvat jokaisessa Porsche Centerissä
• Jatkotakuuvakuutuksen kesto vuodeksi, kahdeksi tai kolmeksi vuodeksi kerrallaan, valintanne mukaan
• Jatkotakuuvakuutus kattaa korjaukset, mukaan lukien työ ja osat
• Ei muita maksuja tai kilometrirajaa
• Jatkotakuuvakuutus on mahdollista hankkia Porschelle, joka on korkeintaan 14 vuoden ikäinen, sekä alle 200 000 km ajettu
• Selkeä takuukäytäntö
• Jatkotakuuvakuutus on täysin siirrettävissä kun auto myydään yksityishenkilölle tai Porsche Centeriin
• Tutustu Porsche Approved -tarkastukseen alapuolella.

It has been revised to 200 000km recently, it used to be 150 000km.
The conditions are the same in the whole EU because the underwriter for the insurance is the same one.

 

[Pete85]

From Porsche Finland:


Porsche Approved -jatkotakuuvakuutus takaa:

• Maailmanlaajuisen kattavuuden
• Takuuasiat hoituvat jokaisessa Porsche Centerissä
• Jatkotakuuvakuutuksen kesto vuodeksi, kahdeksi tai kolmeksi vuodeksi kerrallaan, valintanne mukaan
• Jatkotakuuvakuutus kattaa korjaukset, mukaan lukien työ ja osat
• Ei muita maksuja tai kilometrirajaa
• Jatkotakuuvakuutus on mahdollista hankkia Porschelle, joka on korkeintaan 14 vuoden ikäinen, sekä alle 200 000 km ajettu
• Selkeä takuukäytäntö
• Jatkotakuuvakuutus on täysin siirrettävissä kun auto myydään yksityishenkilölle tai Porsche Centeriin
• Tutustu Porsche Approved -tarkastukseen alapuolella.

It has been revised to 200 000km recently, it used to be 150 000km.
The conditions are the same in the whole EU because the underwriter for the insurance is the same one.

Yes exactly. It means you can get the warranty for a car that is max 14 years old and driven under 200 000. If I understand correctly, you can buy the warranty for as many years as you want. It requires placing the order before those milestones are reached. That bolded sentence doesn't specify that which is kind of weird.

 

[prj]

Yes exactly. It means you can get the warranty for a car that is max 14 years old and driven under 200 000. If I understand correctly, you can buy the warranty for as many years as you want. It requires placing the order before those milestones are reached. That bolded sentence doesn't specify that which is kind of weird.

Max you can buy is 4 years.
But when it's 14 years old they will not sell you more than 1 year. There is no insurance coverage for cars over 15 years old.
If you are buying for 4 years then the car can not be older than 11 years, this is written in the actual terms and conditions.

Mileage must be below 200 000km at the time of making the warranty.
This is a very recent change, when I was buying the Approved earlier this year then it was still 150 000km.

 

[Mr. 2021 Taycan]

I’m really interested in buying a used Porsche Taycan with low mileage. My biggest concern is the number of issues I’ve been reading about with first-generation models, especially stories of owners needing to tow the car to the dealership frequently just to keep it drivable. I understand it may not be the most reliable car, but I’m mainly looking for insight into the typical costs associated with the main issues people are experiencing

I am selling my 2021 4S with less than 12,000 miles. The car is excellent and reliable. Located in Winter Park, FL. More here: https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/winter-park-2021porsche-taycan-4s/7900139584.html.

 

[262X40]

I’m really interested in buying a used Porsche Taycan with low mileage. My biggest concern is the number of issues I’ve been reading about with first-generation models, especially stories of owners needing to tow the car to the dealership frequently just to keep it drivable. I understand it may not be the most reliable car, but I’m mainly looking for insight into the typical costs associated with the main issues people are experiencing

It's a terrific daily driver, I've had mine for 9 months now and smile every time I run an errand. I've been told by folks that know, small improvements and everything learned in the first 18 months of the assembly process make a 2021 Taycan more desirable than 2020's. Maybe not a lot, but enough. Most of the issues have been fixed by recalls on a car of that age (brake lines, HVAC, and software upgrades).

Expect that the care and feeding of a Porsche is going to cost more than a Chevy. It just will. Buy CPO to soften the blow, the first two years will be under warranty. So far I've had no out of pocket expenses, but I've also had nothing really go wrong that left me stranded (I had the "red ring of death" but it reset itself and I was able to drive to Porsche service where the software was updated). 8 moths trouble free now. Remember that horror stories are concentrated on forums and the vast majority of all car owners have few troubles.

Best of luck with your journey!

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